Just a note and something to ponder.... People at TOS said that too. "If they don't like it, they can find the tools to make it look different".
...and those were the last words some people bothered to read there, or very close to it, before they DID find another tool in the form of entirely different websites.
I hate the idea of suggesting members to a site 'can learn to adapt', because its such a fickle thing as to which bookmark a person clicks or...doesn't click anymore. Such a simple thing to change, and especially now that the community it is all serving is coming to branch across multiple sites. Seeing one fade won't be near the issue that the first one being set aside was.
Just my general thoughts into the pot of discussion.
* Makes a passing mention about how nice it would be to see Replies tagged for which they relate to. :)
That was to an earlier one from Bassago.
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Post by Charles1952 on Nov 11, 2014 15:15:24 GMT -6
* Makes a passing mention about how nice it would be to see Replies tagged for which they relate to. :)
Dear Wrabbit,
Thanks for the suggestion. It gives me something to do and makes me feel needed. My best advice for right now is to put one of the TOS lessons behind you and use "quote" more frequently. I don't mean putting quotes in brackets, but using the "quote" button which you'll see in the top right corner of the post you want to respond to.
Click on that before you start writing and it will provide you with the post you're responding to and the text of that post. Trim away the portions of the post that you're not addressing, and everything should be smooth. (Hoping, anyway.)
One thing I have found very quickly is to switch to BBCode view for trimming. Then I can SEE where the start/end tags are for each thing in a post. Without the code view, it's guess work as to how the board here presents the tags...or just implies where they are..and as you saw, if you clip one by accident? There goes the message layout.
@ Charles
Thanks, and I think I will start using quote, then just dump everything but the first line indicating who and where it was replying from, if I don't want the text quotes. That'll work too. :)
Just a note and something to ponder.... People at TOS said that too. "If they don't like it, they can find the tools to make it look different".
...and those were the last words some people bothered to read there, or very close to it, before they DID find another tool in the form of entirely different websites.
I hate the idea of suggesting members to a site 'can learn to adapt', because its such a fickle thing as to which bookmark a person clicks or...doesn't click anymore. Such a simple thing to change, and especially now that the community it is all serving is coming to branch across multiple sites. Seeing one fade won't be near the issue that the first one being set aside was.
Sorry Wrabbit, but my whiskers are not grokking the above paragraph. Could you reword it or elaborate, please?
I certainly agree about the absurd stance at TOS . . . several TOS's, actually.
Okay... I was simply saying that making changes to a site, and then saying 'the users will learn to adapt' or 'learn to like it' is how they learn to go elsewhere. That's all. :)
Of course, I don't see that sort of approach being taken here at all, so... I doubt it ever gets to be anything more than the point of discussion it was here.
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above is Wrabbit's
Below this double line is AiRen's. Don't know how it ended up as his post vs my reply to it.
Going to take that section out and put it in a proper post/reply of it's own as I thought I was doing when I wrote it. Sorry for the confusion.
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Well put. . . . {see post moved to} . . .
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Post by Charles1952 on Nov 11, 2014 22:07:05 GMT -6
Dear Wrabbit,
You're right about the speed of change. And for some reason I can't fathom, people think the changes in their lives are for the better. Even change itself, as you wisely point out, is stressful and harsh.
But to oppose change? Ah, then you will be pilloried and mocked. None will listen to the cry, "But the change will make things worse!" The change must come. In friendships, families, beliefs, thoughts, and desires, all old things must be discarded, all roots torn up and burned.
The rootless man believes what he is told, for he has no firm belief to set against the word of "Society." In effect, he is no longer a man but a trained animal. But there are stresses inside that animal. He remembers very well those days when he'd drink a couple of beers and enjoy a smoke with his friends at the bar, then come home to tend his front garden. He enjoyed that. He's not allowed to do that now, but he remembers.
He remembers, vaguely, that there is a "normal" way, and a "twisted" way set against it. He knows that "normal" is being discarded. He's uncomfortable, for he remembers comfort. He sees the bright pathway of "Socially Acceptable" behavior, but, if he is still a man at all, he recognizes the trap and tries to avoid it.
His gallant fight takes it's toll on him. He has to resist what he is told is right, because he knows it's wrong. He has to fight against what seems to be the entire country, then discovers that he, himself, is his only weapon in the battle. He discovers that his weapon has flaws, serious flaws. I know because I've discovered that about myself. Perhaps you've discovered flaws in yourself.
He takes his flawed weapon and fights against illness, poverty, death and disease, his own temptations, and so many other battles he almost never tells the world about.
He is the man we meet on the street, at school, here at Hernando's. The man deserves encouragement, love and caring, a kind word, whatever we can offer. he deserves these things not only because he is a man, and not an animal, but because he is continuing to struggle against the "twisted" in his heart and in his world.
I love that man as I love you, and as I love all of the hurting or tired Hernandos, which may very well mean all of us.
INDEED, WRABBIT. Still don't know what I did. LOL.
Here's the post in it's own post as intended in reply to yours:
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imho . . .
1. Probably a minority of the average population sort of person . . . likes change . . . even on websites. I don't know how small that percentage would be but I'd guesstimate less than 15% and maybe less than 5%.
2. Most folks like STABILITY--particularly in the major features of their "comfort zone" stuff having to do with the major contexts in which they routinely and mostly operate. Change for a big chunk of those people can be very disconcerting, disorienting, annoying and even for some, infuriating, exasperating.
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3. It is CERTAINLY CLEAR from tons of organizational development research that CHANGE is smoothest, most comfortably accepted by those affected WHEN they have been CONSULTED ahead of time and when their input has been clearly valued and incorporated where at all workable.
4. It's still shocking, in this day and age, to observe organizational leaders whether owners or websites or leaders of churches or fast food organizations . . . it is shocking that such leaders would still arrogantly, haughtily, tyrannically implement change based on their own 'self-perceived omniscience' . . . without word one of consulting those who will be most impacted by such changes.
5. To do so and then act incredulous and OFFENDED that their victims are screaming in frustration & exasperation seems to me to be a case study in cluelessness.
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6. We are assaulted with rapid, dramatic and important change in our era with a frequency and degree of magnitude unknown for millenia.
7. The resulting stress is probably making the alcohol bottlers and bars $billions.
8. Most folks frequent a few sites at which they have come to feel comfortable, at HOME, among friends . . . a sense of belonging.
9. WHEN a leadership of such a location--virtual or otherwise--treats those comfortable, "AT HOME,", that sense of belonging--when a leader treats such feelings and factors callously, insensitively, abusively, cluelessly, the members feel actually, QUITE ABUSED--and that quite understandably. Some even feel squashed, battered, discounted, ignored, deserted, left in the dust, trashed. These are serious feelings. And where an individual is already feeling some such stuff from local face to face family/friendship/work junk in relationships--it can really be much more than the last straw in their fragile emotional lives.
10. Charles demonstrates an uncommonly big heart and a huge commitment to DOING UNTO OTHERS AS HE'D PREFER DONE UNTO HIM. Sadly, that's incredibly rare--even on the net where it should be so easy and common practice.
11. So I pray he and this site do well.
12. And I pray that the arrogant professional jerks trashing their members learn to avoid doing so as soon as possible . . . and if they are stubborn, that they reap what they have sown sooner than later until they wake-up, repent and learn to do better.
Hahaha! I have to laugh every time I come here. This is the only forum where I go that the colors are different every day. I never know what to expect.
Well, look on the bright side.....
At least you can't say you that you are bored with just the one colored theme!!
"It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get"
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