Post by dirkgently on Jan 24, 2015 12:38:54 GMT -6
DES MOINES — Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin told The Washington Post in an interview Friday that she is “seriously interested” in running for the White House in 2016.
“You can absolutely say that I am seriously interested,” Palin said, when asked to clarify her thinking about a possible presidential bid.
Palin, the GOP’s 2008 vice-presidential nominee, said she stood by comments she made Thursday in Las Vegas to ABC News, where she first expressed enthusiasm about potentially competing for the Republican presidential nomination.
We often talk about who we would like to see elected. More often than not, people state that a regular person would do better than a seasoned beltway insider.
Palin, for all her faults, would make a good president, in my humble opinion.
I have to take issue with your assessment though. She failed and quit in her last executive position after a single person found a loophole in Alaskan law which would have allowed her to be tied up forever in private lawsuits against the Governor's office (off the top of my head, for recall). She quit saying it was for the good of the State, but then, what DO quitters say when they disappoint so many by a personal decision?
What could she have done? She could have stayed and fought to see a change in that law so the next Governor wouldn't be under the same threat and now, a set precedent of running a Governor right out of office with it. I hate to pile on, but that makes for bad judgement, poor foresight AND a tendency to quit.
I wouldn't mind her in a Cabinet position..maybe..although a spokeswoman to the party seems almost too much for her at times. I can't believe I honestly considered her capable and intelligent when she first appeared on Glenn Beck's show and before McCain's campaign came along. Then, I thought that had been the REAL Palin, and McCain just leashed her so badly, she came off like an idiot.
Given all the time since, and no seeming return to that competent and intelligent professional she came off as wayy back? I'm left to think THAT had been the 'prepared and planned' persona to leave the buffoon as the natural state of her being. It isn't even said to be mean to her...just how I see it and our nation desperately needs a leader. Even a bad one...but someone able and willing to lead.
Post by emotionallyincorrect on Jan 24, 2015 13:49:40 GMT -6
Something a lot of Palin supporters might not be aware of!
Keep in mind, this is from 2008, so just remember, "Planning is EVERYTHING!". We didn't become divided overnight as a country, so don't think those same kinds of plans haven't taken just as long to plant someone that would be the "least suspecting"?
Sarah Palin increased her foreign policy experience by 475% today and the media wasn't allowed to hear any of it! Because Sarah Palin doesn't really speak to the media much/ever, so they have to follow her around and ask the photographers dispatched to capture the photo ops what they heard her say, as if she is just like her new pal Henry Kissinger and she is engaging in top-secret high-level diplomatic negotiations. Except… at the end of the meetings the ensuing media accounts don't have anything to write about, because nothing actually transpired, so the poor journalists are left to write about how she lipsynched that she "had a good time" meeting the emperor of Tokyo or whatever. So what's a bigger waste of time than following Sarah Palin around while she says nothing about meaningless meetings with foreign dignitaries? Making up fictional event-free meetings with foreign dignitaries for the sake of a pointless quiz to see if you can tell which ones actually (pointlessly) happened!Three of these meetings actually happened, according to the Times website. Three just happened the way I imagined they would were I a reporter assigned to watch various other foreign dignitaries harmlessly shaking hands and exchanging niceties with Sarah Palin before being ushered off to exchange more niceties and possibly a game recipe or two.insert quote here
@wrabbit2000, Richard Nixon Graduated Duke (Sets example for future crooks) lol Ronald Reagan Graduated Eureka College (on a sports scholarship became an actor.) Prescott Bush Nazi sympathiser that had his assets seized for aiding and abetting the enemy. While Chairing the USO (some say founded) and UBC bank. SOURCE George Herbert Walker Bush: Graduated Yale Skull and Bones member ( How did we do with his presidency?) 1000 points of light, read my lips, spender on social programs. Bill Clinton: Oxford Graduate. (Impeached) George Walker Bush: Graduated Yale Skull and Bones member ( Patriot act, war, etc.) How did we do here, with his strategery communication skills. lol it was comedy Barack Obama Harvard Graduate Although unprovable there appears to be no documentation or photos of his attendance.
Sarah Palin Graduated University of Idaho. Shoots from the hip, governor of Alaska
I honestly can't say she would do a worse job than the above, they were all crooks and thieves. But I will say I know little about her, but what I like is what you don't my furry friend. She wears it on her sleeve, and the only thing I like about Biden. You never have to wonder where you stand with a person like this they are always more than happy to tell you. Both Biden and Palin mouths are connected to their hearts, instead of the brains. Something a overeducated conniving Harvard, Yale, or Oxford grad doesn't do. I think this is what I want now in our country. I am not sure I would vote for her, but it is a quality worth investigating as a requirement for the president. We can't do any worse than the last 35 or 40 years.
Convince me she would be worse than the above, especially the last one.
For the record Skull & Bones takes 16 members a year from a junior class selection. Can someone tell me the mathematical chances that so many members could become politicians?
That certainly proves intelligence is no assurance to success....but the lack of it, is a sure fire path to failure.
I'll take someone who can stand in a room full of other accomplished men and women..and not have a serious and well founded inferiority complex.
A leader needs the tools to at least have a chance at success, and she doesn't seem to have that between the 'ol ears. Whatever she picked up from school? She seems to have forgotten how to use it, OR how to communicate it. The difference isn't important when perception defines reality at the level of world leaders.
First off, I think Wrabbit posted first, so I you want to delete this thread, please do so.
Second, Palin may be a lot of things, but when you compare her to Warren, Clinton, Bush, Romney, etc.
she stands well above the rest.
She certainly speaks like she loves the Constitution and for that she has my attention! But to be honest, would are country be in the shape it is in now, if instead of believing what words came out of a politician to get elected, but HOLDING THEM TO IT, our country would be in this shape?
The way I see it today, when words coming out of politicians do nothing more than create division amongst us serfs, rather than come up with solutions for out problems, it really becomes insanity for me to think they truly have our countries best of interests in mind......
Post by whitealice on Jan 24, 2015 15:08:45 GMT -6
I'd honestly hope for someone a little more middle of the road than Palin but don't see that as likely considering the political volatility both in Congress/WH and within the public. I remember listening to one of Palin's speeches during her run with McCain and being positively stunned at the level of animosity in her voice and overall recklessness. The last thing this country needs is someone who whips others into a frenzy but that's just my very humble opinion.
"The difference isn't important when perception defines reality at the level of world leaders."
There again is a mouth full, that so describes our current POTUS. This is more handlers than his ability to speak or his level of competence. With the standing joke of him being unable to converse without a prompter even I would be a better speaker. lol
I guess this is why I have such a huge dislike for attorneys. When in a conversation you ask a question they never just answer, they take between 30 and 60 seconds to run all the permeables before aggregating their answer. You never know what's in their heart, you are told what they want you to hear, or what they want you to know. I am interested in a persons heart and their decision making process. What drives them, and makes them think the way they do, and why.
That is why I so enjoy and appreciate your reverence for life in discussions about murder, racism, and authority. You seem to be ready to take on the world. This is a quality based on conviction I would vote for in a second. This is your heart it speaks with honor, and reverence until you prove different.
My 2 ¢
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I remember listening to one of Palin's speeches during her run with McCain and being positively stunned at the level of animosity in her voice and overall recklessness. The last thing this country needs is someone who whips others into a frenzy but that's just my very humble opinion.
That's pretty close to where I'm at with her too. The arguments in the media and GOP to support her bring me up short because they are, in many ways, precisely the same arguments liberals used to elect Barack Obama. I hear almost nothing from even her supporters about why she SHOULD be...but everything about why everyone else SHOULD NOT be.
Personally, I think we need to try and move past the 'but everyone else is worse, so I'm best!'. I'd give anything to have just one candidate that, if standing 100% alone with no one anywhere to compare with, we'd STILL feel was a good choice for good outcomes.
Post by whitealice on Jan 24, 2015 15:33:14 GMT -6
@wrabbit2000,
Pretty much. Why should any race become a lesser of two evils? I cannot believe for one second that that was the intent of the Founders and find it sad that that is what we've grown to have offered to us. The thing is, while opinions like your or mine are common enough, they are nothing in comparison to the number who will look the other way at a candidate's ills because "we can't have that other person in office".
It's a failed prospect that is really getting us nowhere and the far sadder thing I find is that even if such an individual did happen to run for president, the number of blocks to their run for presidency would be so substantial through the media and legislation that they'd never even have a chance.
That depresses me more than anything else but it's also why I target Congress first with my own cynical little eye. If there is going to be any change, then make it Congress first for they have the power vested in them to change it.
I am interested in a persons heart and their decision making process. What drives them, and makes them think the way they do, and why.
You know, in thinking along those lines? It isn't even really the fact she quit and cut out on being Governor that bothers me the most. It is the fact that she was a totally different person in tone, bearing and apparent ability to convey deep thoughts on those couple Beck appearances. I think those may actually go all the way back to when he was on CNN, for the date of it. Anyway...I was ready to vote her for President in a draft effort after seeing her then. She'd been talking about energy policy for why Beck had 'The Alaskan Governor' on, and she hadn't even registered yet for a national figure. (sure stood out tho..she seemed to get it)
In that setting? I really recall an impressive and powerful woman in appearance, with a level head. Exactly who I wouldn't mind seeing take a crack at things. (Look at Merkel or even Thatcher...Gender is no bar in my mind).
I wonder what happened along the way to bring such change? Well..bitterness for one, and like Alice said, that shows through so clearly it hurts to hear at times. In her defense on that? The national media and an parts of both parties did go for her throat, with her family as well, for an extended period. I guess that can change a person.
@wrabbit2000, I would have to say that is a very good assessment. I don't know how I would act under that pressure, but it wouldn't be pretty. Sometimes I think it was a all out Barrage to make sure Hillary was the first VP or president. I don't know but I never thought it was fair and always overboard. Specially when the hit piece writer moved in next door.
I am interested in a persons heart and their decision making process. What drives them, and makes them think the way they do, and why.
You know, in thinking along those lines? It isn't even really the fact she quit and cut out on being Governor that bothers me the most. It is the fact that she was a totally different person in tone, bearing and apparent ability to convey deep thoughts on those couple Beck appearances. I think those may actually go all the way back to when he was on CNN, for the date of it. Anyway...I was ready to vote her for President in a draft effort after seeing her then. She'd been talking about energy policy for why Beck had 'The Alaskan Governor' on, and she hadn't even registered yet for a national figure. (sure stood out tho..she seemed to get it)
In that setting? I really recall an impressive and powerful woman in appearance, with a level head. Exactly who I wouldn't mind seeing take a crack at things. (Look at Merkel or even Thatcher...Gender is no bar in my mind).
I wonder what happened along the way to bring such change? Well..bitterness for one, and like Alice said, that shows through so clearly it hurts to hear at times. In her defense on that? The national media and an parts of both parties did go for her throat, with her family as well, for an extended period. I guess that can change a person.
I don't know. The fact that it arose in her at all is what troubles me. Being put into the limelight is not for the faint of heart and if that is, in fact, what caused her to become progressively volatile in speaking, then would that person be a good leader? I don't think so. I'd rather see someone who can weather a storm with dignity and pragmatism personally especially for something that would be so obvious in its coming. Mudslinging is, for better or worse, a part of the political arena and yes, one's family does get put under the microscope as well.
There is no way that the media and party responses to her should've been unexpected by her at all. Running for a political campaign is not a picnic but then again, neither is actually assisting in running the country either. However, the difference between running for a political campaign and running a country are profound in their impacts. One can make a mistake and put gun sight crosshairs on political adversaries in a political campaign with possible egregious outcome (what the hell was she thinking?). In running a country, to let one's temper fly to eschew all sense of dignity and instead, speak to deliberately inflame--that's god damn dangerous.
To be honest, if Palin should run, for the first time in my life, I will vote for the lesser of two evils. My view of her was not painted by the media but her own actions and words themselves. I'm extraordinarily cautious in that regard thanks to my grandfather's wisdom.
I hadn't even thought down the lines you raise there. You're absolutely right though. She has shown bitterness and raw emotion that wasn't staged and wasn't a crafted part of her persona.
So...If anything she faced in regular life happening, even taking about the viciousness of political opposition could get her to slip emotional control, even a little? What does that say?
What will it look like when people in the Chinese Ministry of State Security or the Russian SVR make it their job and assigned mission to find and exploit her cracks to create the situation for her to blow out in a BIG way? I don't put much past them, anymore than I do our own CIA. Dirty tricks are their business and business has never been better.