i have a ford f150 that i am keeping. just for a spare. yeah, im an old school chopper guy. up till a few years ago i would not have entertained a build like that. yeah, harley motor and trans but paucho frame and Another TOS Owner front end. wasn't my thing.
my attitude towards that has changed. with my hand the way it is i will not be able to ride as much as i want so something like that would be just fine. ive always wanted a panhead but i dont want to dump that much money on a bike. if i dont wind up getting that chopper i will be looking into a late 70's early 80's model shovelhead.
i like older bikes. rats even. kick and electric. apes. small baffles. straight pipes.
my style
if it does not make it stop faster or accelerate faster, then take it off
Early Harleys are EMP proof as well. A shovel just has a sound not anywhere today.
Heres a place where you can but Southern and West Coast older trucks. here in Ohio. Many are inexpensive as well (Which means that they are clean, but could probably need some maintenance)
Actually... I hate to say it..but the threat from EMP was considered more a danger than the blast itself in the old days..with old non-computerized cars. After all, if you were in a blast zone? Your war ended in a milisecond. Mercy...given the alternative. Of course..these days? They don't even bother finding out...
It seems it is some hush hush top secret thing to tell us that a high X-class geo storm or a nuclear EMP would short out and cook off the primary pieces of the starter system (like the solenoid). My non computer F-150 from 1991 will be equally dead to a 1968 1/2 Mustang or a Dodge Viper just off the showroom floor. None are going anywhere, any time soon if they get a straight hit with force.
Of course..in order of hassle, the Mustang is running again with the least trouble, followed by a day or so working on the cooked pieces of the F-150..and we'll just call the Viper a nice conversation piece after it's misadventure. Maybe a boat anchor? It won't likely be a car again.
Actually... I hate to say it..but the threat from EMP was considered more a danger than the blast itself in the old days..with old non-computerized cars. After all, if you were in a blast zone? Your war ended in a milisecond. Mercy...given the alternative. Of course..these days? They don't even bother finding out...
It seems it is some hush hush top secret thing to tell us that a high X-class geo storm or a nuclear EMP would short out and cook off the primary pieces of the starter system (like the solenoid). My non computer F-150 from 1991 will be equally dead to a 1968 1/2 Mustang or a Dodge Viper just off the showroom floor. None are going anywhere, any time soon if they get a straight hit with force.
Of course..in order of hassle, the Mustang is running again with the least trouble, followed by a day or so working on the cooked pieces of the F-150..and we'll just call the Viper a nice conversation piece after it's misadventure. Maybe a boat anchor? It won't likely be a car again.
Current line of thinking is air burst for a nuke to create a EMP, that way you can cover more of earth's surface over the states, instead of something localized with maybe a 100 mile radius depending on the yield and terrain. If the car/truck body was grounded during the strike a 68 mustang would be completely survivable. Ungrounded I don't the solenoid would be affected due to the steel shielding around the winding. On the other hand the diodes in the alternator, and the capacitor under the phenolic cap would probably be toast. Maybe we need one of those metal straps we saw as kids always dragging under the car for grounding. These two parts are cheap and easy to replace if necessary, there needs to be some kind of testing to determine the extent of damage. Of course your radio would be toast.
The real danger is above ground power poles with wires for electrifying a city or neighborhood. EMP's are low frequency and the power lines are expected to be fantastic antennas boosting the EMP effect as are those that traverse the US on high tension tower lines. You could end up standing next to a electrical device in your home and get hit with what is equivalent to a lighting bolt. It would be interesting to see how they (the Military test) all their equipment is supposed to be safe from EMP.
As a side note an old microwave is good for protecting walkie talkies or cell phones not that there will be service but any handheld electronic device would be safe inside, also of note it is believed that an all steel trash can with metal lid with a ground strap would do the same. The energy would travel over the exterior and go to ground. Outside of a Faraday Cage built into the walls the US will have serious troubles.
I'll dig a bit later and post the technical and scientific basis for why an older non-computerized car is toast in a direct wave of EMP from a nuclear detonation.... Sorry I didn't post the full supporting data this time, as I hadn't anticipated so many forgetting how core a concern this was to national thinking in the 1980's ...when almost everyone was still driving the equivalent of an old Mustang. ("The Day After" was considered to be fundamentally accurate in the depiction of physical impact on the US population...and cars...stopped functioning before the light from the blasts even faded...as expected in the real world event)
It'll be late tonight, and I need to find it all from the Korea weapons series I wrote...but the fact automakers can't bring themselves to be honest doesn't mean Uncle Sam didn't run every form of real world test known to mankind..which they did of course. The vast majority of that is now open material in the public domain, and has been for a long time now.
Can't promise what time I'll have that stuff tonight, and I'm juggling with handling the STOTU speech for write up on an entirely different thing..but I definitely have the raw data to back my comparison of the 3 vehicles and their likely outcomes, based on documented outcomes in the past data. :)
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BTW, as far as grounding? That works for conventional pulse events. Like a power line dropping onto your car with the potential to pulse the electrical system. It won't, of course, until or unless a ground is made and then? You USED to have a car. lol... The same theory is why airplanes get hit by lightning a lot more than people would like to see on a statistic, but don't fall out of the air from it...
....Yet..billions went into developing EMP shielding for critical aircraft because, unlike a lightning bolt, an EMP blast will knock an airplane out of the sky (or turn it into a glider ..which is the same thing for some BIG planes).
It is why the Russians base nuclear anti-air missiles, right now, around the Russian Federation. One need not hit or even get CLOSE to the incoming attackers ...if one can turn them off like a light switch. They apparently bet our shielding to protect critical systems is..lacking. I hope they're not right, because no shielding means we're living like the Amish for awhile....and automakers aren't wasting the money to shield civilian vehicles.
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Thanks wrabbit that would be great, I have seen very little and at one time I looked a lot, it will be good info to have. Better to be prepared than to be scared.
Cruised through your town to get there this morning. The Jeep doesn't look to damaged with the exception of the steering column and muddy as hell. But they move everything there around with big assed forklifts. I'm worried about under carriage damage now.
I got that too, but clicked again and the site came up.
7437 Deer Trail Ln. Lorain, OH
440-476-3273
If you do go there, it's on the right, and it is very busy and crowded with tow truck haulers and flatbeds. Not to mention all the cars, both running and not and the large forklifts tooling about as well.
It's organized chaos. I was impressed.
Beware the man who has one gun, he probably knows how to use it.
You all would be amazed at the challenge involved in finding straight answers to the basic questions of EMP effect. It isn't being sarcastic to say its a State Secret. It just so happens to be....a State Secret. lol.. At least some of the finest details (like which cars cook off and how easily they roast) certainly are. However....the best information comes from the oddest places, and I found my answer eventually. First.. Here is a little I came across in getting there.
^^^ That is really good about breaking down the types and differences, as well as some good reference to supporting events.
The first direct reference I came across was from a Major at the Air Command and General Staff College, writing on EMP effects and other aspects.
Some really scary parts of the EMP story did not make it into James Bond's latest adventure. Weapons designers specializing in high-energy physics can now create electromagnetic pulses without going into outer space. One approach involves harnessing the force of a conventional explosion. Others are simply just modifications of radar, which bounces pulses of energy off aircraft in flight, vehicles on the ground, and other objects.7 Crank up the power and you have an EMP weapon, ready to point at the computers of your favorite enemy.
This knowledge has set off a new arms race. Whether fitted into cruise missiles or parked at the side of the road in a van, non-nuclear EMP weapons have the potential to devastate the electronic systems of areas as large as a city or as small as a selected building, all without being seen, heard, or felt by a single soul.8 It is a dream come true for any and all terrorists, to include Saddam Hussein himself!
Sound far-fetched? It did not in 1993 to the owners of automobiles parked about 300 meters from a U.S. Defense Contractor's EMP generator test site at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. Their alternators and electronic engine controls were accidentally fried by a pulse during classified field trials.9
Alternators... A thing so many folks forget, and in a coiled form? A rather impressive antenna of sorts. I figured I wanted a couple references though, since the first links did describe the phenomenon of Nuclear EMP blasts creating free ranging electrical fields inside the closed interior of satellites, they were careful to avoid mention of how that worked on Earth. Likely because of how many factors play into it, as anything secret.
An example of the hedging enough to give a Gardner a headache comes in this one:
Both HEMP and HPM can permanently immobilize vehicles with modern electronic ignition and control systems. However, older electrical components, such as vacuum tubes and induction coils for spark ignition, are generally built more massively, and are more tolerant of EMP. As modern electronics shrink in size,circuitry is becoming increasingly tiny and more vulnerable to electromagnetic interference. Therefore, countries with infrastructure that relies on older technology may be less vulnerable to the disabling effects of HEMP or HPM than countries that rely on a higher level of technology.
There is a very good reason they hedge the living daylights out of that language, too. One...of course is that testing is classified and for pretty good reasons in this case, I'd say. The technology isn't THAT far beyond development for any well developed nation or one with access to the resources of a well developed benefactor. No need to give free development info out, eh?
Still... This isn't entirely hidden either. It has happened before, and the test they talk about in 1962 was Starfish Prime. One I've written quite a bit about and Huffpo covered in this piece with fairly decent info, even for them. (with one glaring exception, they aren't alone in making)
That popped pretty close to directly above Johnston Atoll in terms of mileage to where it did nasty bad things in Hawaii. Huffpo says 600..That Major was missing his Wheaties, because he had some wildly high distance. I get 900 miles or 1,500 kilometers as a rough measurement and what most published accounts keep pretty close to.
That was 1962, and it cooked ignitions in Hawaii. As they've noted in other places above, the more recent the system over time, the more vulnerable...not less so. They also note in the above links, Military/DOD systems are pretty much designed with EMP threat at some level of design planning. Civilian systems have 0 similar consideration. One map and multiple estimates say a blast of sufficient size over Omaha, Nebraska would be enough to touch the Continental United States overall. Owie....and another spot noted it most likely would not support retaliatory action to who did it to us. After all...no one technically dies from the attack.
Unfortunately, 3 of his 4 source documents aren't online and available anymore, and I'll bet money that chart came from one of the .mil's. It looks just like one I recall seeing in a FAS document I can't find at the moment either. At least someone saved the chart before the document seems to have gotten sucked back down into the black world.
Of course..the above all just goes to say in the opening of the next war? Older is better and keep a few spare parts around....maybe in an old microwave? (That idea is definitely solid!)
....Oh..and Space folks can take interest in the Van Allen belt references in the first documents. Project Argus detonations determined the belts would 'load' with the energy from an orbital blast, and beyond tolerances for modern satellites passing through it..over and over. 10 year service lives would reduce to as little as 2 months, with just a single megaton class blast in those altitudes. (ISS may not have a real good day, either)
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I take it the above covered the concerns? Lack of feedback kinda leaves me guessing and the above was only part of what I've got, so reasonable to assume no one wants the rest at this point?
