Post by Michigan Swamp Buck on Jan 30, 2016 6:56:38 GMT -6
I like the United States as a place and I love the Great Lakes region, but the greed fueled corruption and evil acts of our government have had me considering becoming an expat. So I have looked into renouncing my citizenship as a way to end my support for U.S. corruption and at first glance it seemed harder to leave this political prison we call a country then it would be to become part of some resistance movement. I came to the conclusion that you can't beat the beast system that you were born into and perhaps the best form of protest would be to leave the States entirely, however, after looking into getting out it seemed that you must become a citizen of some other corrupt nation to do so. Where could you go that is any better? Apparently this is actually not true, you need not be attached to any of the countries of the world, you can become stateless.
Statelessness is somewhat like becoming a refugee or an outlaw (as in someone outside of the protection of the law) and there is some danger involved in having no allegiance to any country. But becoming stateless is not impossible and you can retain many of the rights you have as a citizen of (insert country of choice here).
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Now I'm not sure of all the details, but I'm pretty certain that this can be done regardless of what the U.S. government would have you believe, such as needing to be a citizen of some other country, when you renounce your citizenship in the States.
Below is a quick description of the treaty agreement that made statelessness a possibility.
Wikipedia Link
Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons
Apparently the easiest way to renounce U.S. citizenship is at an embassy in a foreign country and it just so happens that our neighbor to the south, Mexico, signed the treaty resolution mentioned above. You can also apply for a travel visa as a stateless person in Mexico.
UN Treaty Collection
There is a lot more to this subject and I've just barely scratched the surface of this, but it is possible to become a stateless "citizen of the world" or a person without any nationality and still get legal travel papers and work permits for where you end up. Also, you can apply for citizenship as a stateless person once you find a country you can live with. It would be an uncertain life and you'd lose a number of "rights", but you will not be obligated to any country for anything unless you want to do so. However, unless you live in international waters, you would be obligated to follow the laws of the land of the country you end up in.
Statelessness is somewhat like becoming a refugee or an outlaw (as in someone outside of the protection of the law) and there is some danger involved in having no allegiance to any country. But becoming stateless is not impossible and you can retain many of the rights you have as a citizen of (insert country of choice here).
Renunciation of citizenship is a very serious matter. The world of today does not treat stateless persons kindly, and renouncing your citizenship may lead to any number of horrible consequences including arrest, deportation, banishment, imprisonment, internment at “refugee camps”, denial of human rights, asset seizure, loss of ability to travel, loss of employment, loss of professional licenses, disconnection from the banking system, trouble obtaining housing, and on and on.
nostate.com
Now I'm not sure of all the details, but I'm pretty certain that this can be done regardless of what the U.S. government would have you believe, such as needing to be a citizen of some other country, when you renounce your citizenship in the States.
Below is a quick description of the treaty agreement that made statelessness a possibility.
The Convention relating to the Status of Refugees was promulgated on 28 July 1951. Despite an original intention, it did not include any content about the status of stateless persons and there was no protocol regarding measures to effect the reduction of statelessness.
On 26 April 1954, ECOSOC adopted a Resolution to convene a Conference of Plenipotentiaries to "regulate and improve the status of stateless persons by an international agreement".
The ensuing Conference adopted the Convention on 28 September 1954.
The Convention entered into force on 6 June 1960.
On 26 April 1954, ECOSOC adopted a Resolution to convene a Conference of Plenipotentiaries to "regulate and improve the status of stateless persons by an international agreement".
The ensuing Conference adopted the Convention on 28 September 1954.
The Convention entered into force on 6 June 1960.
Wikipedia Link
Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons
Apparently the easiest way to renounce U.S. citizenship is at an embassy in a foreign country and it just so happens that our neighbor to the south, Mexico, signed the treaty resolution mentioned above. You can also apply for a travel visa as a stateless person in Mexico.
The Government of Mexico is convinced of the importance of ensuring that all stateless persons can obtain wage-earning employment as a means of subsistence and affirms that stateless persons will be treated, in accordance with the law, under the same conditions as aliens in general, without prejudice to the application of article 7 of the Federal Labour Act, which establishes the proportion of alien workers that employers are authorized to employ in Mexico, as well as other legal principles relating to work by aliens in the country, for which reason the Government of Mexico lodges an express reservation to article 17 of this Convention.
The Government of Mexico does not consider itself obliged to guarantee stateless persons greater facilities for their naturalization than those accorded to aliens in general, for which reason it lodges an express reservation to the contents of article 32 of the Convention.
The Government of Mexico does not consider itself obliged to guarantee stateless persons greater facilities for their naturalization than those accorded to aliens in general, for which reason it lodges an express reservation to the contents of article 32 of the Convention.
UN Treaty Collection
There is a lot more to this subject and I've just barely scratched the surface of this, but it is possible to become a stateless "citizen of the world" or a person without any nationality and still get legal travel papers and work permits for where you end up. Also, you can apply for citizenship as a stateless person once you find a country you can live with. It would be an uncertain life and you'd lose a number of "rights", but you will not be obligated to any country for anything unless you want to do so. However, unless you live in international waters, you would be obligated to follow the laws of the land of the country you end up in.