I read on some "Birther refutation" thread the other day that there are copies of Hawaiian newspapers from 1961 (or whatever) that have the birth announcement in it. True? (I honestly have no idea, I have never paid much attention to this issue -- I'm of the same mindset that I was after the 2000 fiasco -- Bush won, complainers needed to get over it.)
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I'm still stumped with how a complete no name, with no accomplishments and a background so "common" as to matter, even by American standards...could ever have popped up to take the Presidency.
I think that is where the people who refuse to consider anything is amiss here are missing the point themselves.
My feelings about what they may be hiding isn't one document or even a dozen I could specifically point to. It's the gut feeling from taking in everything we see and know about the situation, and finding nothing to reasonably contradict the theory.
Some folks really do think the major political powers would have rolled the dice on a guy who wasn't even American, but that always seemed outright corny to me. No one swore any allegiance to Obama before he took the Oath, and a whole structure built under Bush wasn't friendly to his approach on much of anything ... so why would the intelligence agencies we've come to know so well for knowing everything about everyone..let that slide? That would be just one example where logic says it just doesn't track right to have truth. (The Kenyan birth part)
It takes us full circle back to the start though, and where we can say that if Obama released in 2008 what he released in 2010? The controversy would never have even existed. Not to any serious degree, anyway. If he'd drawn attention to the 2010 document dump and didn't just make it a passing blip through the news that most missed for even happening? It may have all died right there..as honestly, it probably should have.
I think Obama knows he has the ultimate toy to play with here though. He can dangle this topic any time he wants with a poor joke or snarky comment, and that'll take a fair % of his opposition among the people, back off in a direction he knows can't ultimately amount to anything in the end...at least nothing like what people have assumed, and he's been happy to let continue.
He was real clever... He can always point back and say 'but but but...I released it all in 2010!'.....but because of how he did it, he gets that freebie without having calmed anything down about the American infighting over the issue. (I don't mean fighting here...not at all. Out across the net and political landscape tho? This still gets rough)
I think that he was in the right place at the right time -- people were sick of Bush and didn't think that McCain was a suitable change (I refused to vote for him after he named Palin, clearly unqualified for the position, as his running mate,) and on the Democratic side, he benefited from a relative lack of baggage (were the Revererd Wright and William Ayers situations brought up during the primaries?) due to his lack of time in Washington, his "talking the talk" of progressive moderatism, coupled with his being a minority, made him a good candidate. I know he snookered my wife into voting for him, and she was a conservative.
The only reason he was re-elected is that the Republicans nominated the world's worst candidate and sent him out with no message.
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people were sick of Bush and didn't think that McCain was a suitable change (I refused to vote for him after he named Palin, clearly unqualified for the position, as his running mate,)
You know the saddest part of that? Palin was STILL more qualified than McCain.
The only reason he was re-elected is that the Republicans nominated the world's worst candidate and sent him out with no message.
The Republicans are making a habit of trotting out unelectable or useless candidates for President. Things that make you go "Hmmmm..."
The field of front runners for nomination on both sides of the aisle for the presidential slot are dismal:
That page makes it look like both parties are trying to "out weak" each other in the candidate department.
I may have to adjust my strategy for the 2016 vote. I was going to vote for whomever the CPUSA ran, as a protest vote - the vote that sends the message "anyone but YOU" to the candidates they select. I mean, seriously - if they're going totalitarian as they have been the past several years, quit playing and DO IT RIGHT. Nobody does totalitarian right like the communist party does! Get this show on the road and burn 'er down so that we can get busy with the rebuilding. Worst case scenario would a surge in the jobs market with all the black market jobs flying open under communists.
Unfortunately, in typical communist fashion they appear to have been unable to even start selecting a presidential candidate. I couldn't google one out of the woodwork at all. They're still stuck at "struggle this" and "struggle that", "class this" and "class that", "fight this" and "fight that" - I've never encountered a more bloodthirsty bunch in my life. Their language even reflects the bloodlust in every sentence - positively dripping with it.
So I may have to vote NAZI if they've got a candidate in the pipeline. Nazis don't do totalitarian as well as communists do, but they run a damned fine second place!
I read on some "Birther refutation" thread the other day that there are copies of Hawaiian newspapers from 1961 (or whatever) that have the birth announcement in it. True? (I honestly have no idea, I have never paid much attention to this issue -- I'm of the same mindset that I was after the 2000 fiasco -- Bush won, complainers needed to get over it.)
I've seen the newspaper announcements. they do exist. they mean exactly nothing, however. My mom has one from a newspaper in Virginia announcing my birth.
You know the saddest part of that? Palin was STILL more qualified than McCain.
I'm a centralist. I am the very definition of whom parties need to appeal to in order to win elections, because there are roughly the same number of people out on the fringes of both sides that the Democrats and Republicans pretty much count on, year in and year out, to support them regardless of whom they put up. What they are left with is people like me who won't necessarily vote one way or the other by default.
I would never support Sarah Palin. I have never seen anything that is any indicator that she did anything other than "happen in" on her position in American politics, and that she is a model/actor, more than any seasoned politician. Now, that may appeal to some, it does not, to me. McCain, on the other hand, has shown that he has leadership qualities and, of late, some degree of common sense.
I repost my earlier quote from the Senator:
"I am not against political appointees ... I understand how the game is played, but here we are, a nation [Hungary] that is on the verge of ceding its sovereignty to a neo-fascist dictator getting in bed with Vladimir Putin and we're going to send the producer of 'The Bold and The Beautiful' as the ambassador," McCain continued. "I urge my colleagues to put a stop to this foolishness. I urge a no vote."
Common sense. Missing in the Sarah Palin nomination, now pretty well universally missing from American politics.
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I've seen the newspaper announcements. they do exist. they mean exactly nothing, however. My mom has one from a newspaper in Virginia announcing my birth.
I was born in Ohio.
Well, I guess that the point is, mistake or not, to say that President Obama was born in Kenya, but someone knew, in 1961, that he would eventually run for President, and so a "mistake" needed to be made by publishing an advert in the Hawaiian papers announcing his birth, implies time travel, and I'm just not keen on that.
But again, even though I didn't vote for him and I think he's the worst President in the past 100 years (when was Herbert Hoover President?), bottom line is that he was legitimately elected in 2008 and re-elected in 2012, people just need to get over it. He'll be gone in two years.
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How sad is it when a notion that it might not be the best idea to send a tv actor as ambassador to a troubled country is "common sense" enough to stand out from the crowd?
We. Are. Doomed.
I think the assessment that common sense is so uncommon it should be classified as a superpower, is getting truer by the day. When John McCaine stands out as someone having common sense, the cheese has slid entirely off the cracker, hit the floor and bounced, and then rolled down the mountainside and splashed into the river, and is now floating on it's way to the sea.
When John McCaine stands out as someone having common sense, the cheese has slid entirely off the cracker, hit the floor and bounced, and then rolled down the mountainside and splashed into the river, and is now floating on it's way to the sea.
Nice description of the current state of American politics, lol.
Repeal Citizens United, ban political advertising, and impose term limits on all offices.
Problem solved :)
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Nah, it's not time travel or grooming for presidency in infancy - it's usually proud grandparents, or aunts or uncles or something more mundane. I can count the clippings placed by time travelers into newspapers that I've seen on one hand - without holding any fingers up.
Yes, they need to get over it - the time is long past for it to have any effect even if it were so. The best thing that could happen at this point would be a ruckus, and expulsion from the presidency, and then we would be stuck for the next couple years with Joe Biden, and I'm not seeing the draw of any improvement there.
Let it go, drop back and punt, and if they don't get their candidate selection mess together, vote Communist or NAZI. Burn this baby down right so we can get back to rebuilding it from scratch.
Term limits - now there is some of that "common sense" you're not going to find anywhere near DC.
In all honesty, I would LOVE to watch them try to get their "messages" out with a ban on political advertising. The candidates would be seen as the collection of Keystone Kops that they are! I would almost pay to watch that, and I WOULD pop a great big 55 gallon drum of popcorn for the event, and share!
When John McCaine stands out as someone having common sense, the cheese has slid entirely off the cracker, hit the floor and bounced, and then rolled down the mountainside and splashed into the river, and is now floating on it's way to the sea.
Nice description of the current state of American politics, lol.
Repeal Citizens United, ban political advertising, and impose term limits on all offices.
Problem solved :)
Well said. I think we could all agree on those points.
I'd be perfectly willing to see the tax burden which funding campaigns might add...if it meant ZERO outside money. Period. End of Story.
The candidates and their campaigns should be limited to matched funds from the public money and let message finally mean a hair more than HOW MUCH message we get to the point of being sick by election time.
Heck..we might even spot the shallow wimps from the rare deep thinker before the elections.