Chicago ignored pursuit termination order..right or wrong?
Aug 1, 2015 9:27:07 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 9:27:07 GMT -6
This is an interesting case, and at first glance? I expected it would be a simple case. The headline looks simple enough....
Cops were ordered to terminate a pursuit, and they didn't. 20 minutes later, the pursuit terminated itself with the bad guy losing control, hitting an occupied baby stroller and dragging it into an empty lot. It was a fatality, as one might guess, and that is probably better left there for anything further.
That is a true tragedy, and impossible to dismiss.....yet, the victim here happened to be in the path of physics doing what physics does when objects lose all control ...and one person was in control, when it was lost to cause that end result. The scumbag they were chasing.
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Now maybe logic is all twisted into pretzels in Chicago, where this case has now become a new headline with a formal lawsuit (Lawsuit: Chicago police ignored orders to stop chase that killed baby in stroller on sidewalk), but where (and when) I grew up? The man driving a car that kills in a situation like this is the scumbag who gets nailed with homicide type charges to add to whatever else already existed. I'm actually coming NOT to side with cops by default anymore, as I once did, either. They are becoming bully boys as the core of decent policing is retiring and leaving the work altogether. However.. In THIS case?
Given the variety of chicken crap things people get chased across the land for, headlines like this are as likely as not (it seems) to be a crime far out of proportion to an outcome. What are we to do as a society tho? Tell killers that they CAN win in a run from the cops if they just go faster, harder, and wilder?? That is PRECISELY what EVER terminating pursuits on violent felony crimes does. Bad guys may be dumb, but they learn like a genius. They'll learn after just one or two examples...IT PAYS to run like hell, because if you're dangerous ENOUGH...the cops are ordered to break off.
Can't the idiots issuing those orders see how it incentivizes running in the first place?? Now frankly, if the original offense is a hunch through a traffic violation? Better to let a mystery escape than see someone killed over a punk running on a Failure to Appear warrant. When it is a "hot" pursuit from a major violent felony, like a shooting tho??
Fine.. If we don't want cops to chase until they get them ...then someone else set the bar where murder becomes a lesser threat than the effort to catch the murderer, running FROM the scene. I sure wouldn't want to explain to the guy's future victims (or families) how a hypothetical bad pursuit outcome demanded a killer get a free ride to repeat performances.
Cops were ordered to terminate a pursuit, and they didn't. 20 minutes later, the pursuit terminated itself with the bad guy losing control, hitting an occupied baby stroller and dragging it into an empty lot. It was a fatality, as one might guess, and that is probably better left there for anything further.
The mother of Dillan Harris is suing 20 police officers, the City of Chicago and the man charged in her son's death. The 13-month-old boy was in his stroller when he was struck and killed by a car fleeing from police.
That is a true tragedy, and impossible to dismiss.....yet, the victim here happened to be in the path of physics doing what physics does when objects lose all control ...and one person was in control, when it was lost to cause that end result. The scumbag they were chasing.
Chicago police said Watkins was fleeing from a shooting that killed Marvin "Capo" Carr, 22, in Chicago's South Shore neighborhood when he lost control of the car.
Now maybe logic is all twisted into pretzels in Chicago, where this case has now become a new headline with a formal lawsuit (Lawsuit: Chicago police ignored orders to stop chase that killed baby in stroller on sidewalk), but where (and when) I grew up? The man driving a car that kills in a situation like this is the scumbag who gets nailed with homicide type charges to add to whatever else already existed. I'm actually coming NOT to side with cops by default anymore, as I once did, either. They are becoming bully boys as the core of decent policing is retiring and leaving the work altogether. However.. In THIS case?
Given the variety of chicken crap things people get chased across the land for, headlines like this are as likely as not (it seems) to be a crime far out of proportion to an outcome. What are we to do as a society tho? Tell killers that they CAN win in a run from the cops if they just go faster, harder, and wilder?? That is PRECISELY what EVER terminating pursuits on violent felony crimes does. Bad guys may be dumb, but they learn like a genius. They'll learn after just one or two examples...IT PAYS to run like hell, because if you're dangerous ENOUGH...the cops are ordered to break off.
Can't the idiots issuing those orders see how it incentivizes running in the first place?? Now frankly, if the original offense is a hunch through a traffic violation? Better to let a mystery escape than see someone killed over a punk running on a Failure to Appear warrant. When it is a "hot" pursuit from a major violent felony, like a shooting tho??
Fine.. If we don't want cops to chase until they get them ...then someone else set the bar where murder becomes a lesser threat than the effort to catch the murderer, running FROM the scene. I sure wouldn't want to explain to the guy's future victims (or families) how a hypothetical bad pursuit outcome demanded a killer get a free ride to repeat performances.