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A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 9:27:19 GMT -6 Nugget, dirkgently, and 8 more like this

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Post by TrinityETR on May 28, 2015 9:27:19 GMT -6

Due to me being hopped up on caffeine and feeling particularly weird today, I wanted to issue a challenge to Hernando's, though I can add this in other places, I chose here for this experiment, as the members here, are more honest, and willing to be open minded. So, enough of me sucking up :) Here it goes.

While I surf the web, and see people speaking of their labels (religious, democrat, etc,.) I often wonder if people wonder as I do about the other side. Now by the other side I mean do people look into the polar opposite of their initial labels, if you believe in ghosts, do you look into those who claim to have evidence that it DOESN'T exist.

So if you are up for it, I would like to show others how and why my brain works the way it does, and how most feel I am more or less, close minded about their issues, but they dont understand I cannot lean in any direction, as I have to always see both sides, and I refuse to choose, as things, like time, facts, and evidence change.

Could you share your largest belief, and then take some time to actually, try to debunk it, or debate your own system. Not to change it, but to better understand it, not just for the sake of yourself, but to understand those who do not believe as you do.

Thanks in advance, btw, depending on how this works, and if anyone actually participates, if I do a round table discussion concerning this, I would like to use a few examples from members who add to this thread, if you are ok with it. For example. "You can use this".

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littled16 Sargento Segundo It's all good in the neighborhood! Posts: 605 Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"http://i.imgur.com/V8pMaCa.jpg","color":""} Mini-Profile Name Color: f2f709 Mini-Profile Text Color: 27f605	A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 9:38:18 GMT -6 Nugget, TrinityETR, and 2 more like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by littled16 on May 28, 2015 9:38:18 GMT -6 I get off work in a few hours so if I still remember by then I will give it a whirl just for you girlie! :)
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A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 10:33:00 GMT -6 Nugget, 727sky, and 4 more like this

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Post by dirkgently on May 28, 2015 10:33:00 GMT -6

TrinityETR,

We made a devils advocate forum for such debates. So we are on the same page here.

I like the concept.

For me, my biggest dichotomy is religion.

I'm a trained engineer, scientist. I have educational degrees in electrical engineering, biological sciences, and a masters in developmental neurobiology.

TO look at the human race abstractly, I'd have to say that while we are evolved tool-makers, we are no different than any carbon-based organism on the planet.

We have the same 4 base pairing as the common earthworm.

Our only difference is that we can make fire!

(ook, ook)

Religion is nothing more than an answer, a tool, to solve the problem of "where we go when we die".

Hows that?

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TrinityETR Soldado de Primero Posts: 232	A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 11:05:46 GMT -6 dirkgently likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by TrinityETR on May 28, 2015 11:05:46 GMT -6 I didnt add this to that forum as this is a personal debate, not one for others to challenge others, but to challenge themselves. If you think it should be moved, its cool.
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dirkgently Teniente Posts: 2,048	A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 11:24:18 GMT -6 Nugget likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by dirkgently on May 28, 2015 11:24:18 GMT -6 TrinityETR, Not at all. You know we're more relaxed here. It's all good.
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A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 11:38:39 GMT -6 Nugget, 727sky, and 3 more like this

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Post by rickymouse on May 28, 2015 11:38:39 GMT -6

I constantly search both sides of an issue. I find a lot of flaws in both sides, but sometimes the solution is correct but the evidence is wrong.
Some of the most widely accepted things in this country are partly wrong. Evidence is misinterpreted all the time.

Another thing, what we presently know is only one percent of what is out there. We have so much research out there that isn't being combined to correlate things. Occams Razor has cut the truth with the acceptable consensus throughout the years. Trying to find reality is hard because of this, but not impossible.

Now the best way I have found is to compare what you know to new evidence, then you ask yourself what could be the result if this is true. Then you get an Ahha moment and come up with an answer. Then you take that answer and research it and half the time you find there is evidence to show it is true while the other half of the time you discover discrepancies in your thought direction and following your newly found direction you solve the problem.

It works well for me. I found that the things I knew the most about caused me to look at the evidence wrong and that didn't allow me to properly evaluate it. Now I have found the right attitude. I know nothing and most people know less than I but they think they know everything. Number one thing to consider is whether you are on the wrong track right from the beginning. Like whether spending all the money in space is worth it. Whether buying a rototiller is even necessary with a tiny garden when you spend hours researching the most reliable and best price one to buy. In truth you do not need the tiller.

After using my breadmachine to mix over six hundred loaves of bread, I am questioning whether it is necessary to buy another one when this one fails shortly. It cost about ten cents a loaf for this purchase and I actually dirty more dishes than if I were to mix it by hand. Time invested in making the bread is about the same either way. Kneeding the dough is better exercise also.

I spend too much time evaluating things, but evaluating things has always been the best thing I do. Evaluating things makes you more efficient and can save a person a lot of money.

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A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 13:09:20 GMT -6 Nugget, 727sky, and 5 more like this

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Post by littled16 on May 28, 2015 13:09:20 GMT -6

Okay girlie- home from work at last!

One belief of mine that I could debate with myself for days and days with no end in sight is the belief in other dimensional beings.

Logic tells me that such things are figments of overactive imaginations. Science tells me that there is no physical proof of such things and that with soooo many people attempting to scientifically prove the existence of such beings for soooo many years, centuries even, that since no proof has ever been produced such things do not exist.

And yet.....

I have experienced several different types of other dimensional beings, from ghostly imprints left upon the atmosphere of a house to shadow figures throwing physical objects across the room and actually AT people. Movies that you have seen from Hollywood? I have lived quite a few of them. I have been awakened in the wee hours of the morning by the sounds of a marching band trampling through my living and dining rooms and watched a foosball table regularly play by itself- and it was pretty good at it! I've watched fans being hurled across the room and had my arms and shoulders caressed by a heavily perfumed presence. I've ducked dishes and food being flung from the cabinets, had items disappear from right before my eyes and had various voices speak to me. For a while I even had a black "window" that seemed to follow me around. These are just a sampling of things I've experienced, and YES- most times there were witnesses!

Even though I believe these things exist and my experience in a sense proves (at least to me) that they exist I still entertain other options (such as overactive imagination, however the many, many witnesses kind of make that doubtful). Another option I have considered is that maybe my subconscious is causing these things to occur, even the physical manifestations. Since even science does not know exactly what the human mind is capable of I can't rule that out as an option.

Of course there is always the possibility that I am a lunatic nutbag suffering from audial and visual hallucinations and am projecting my madness onto others causing shared hallucinations- but crazy people do not know that they are crazy and I pretty much admit I'm crazier than your average lunatic nutbag so therefore.... I am not crazy? :think:

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A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 14:12:26 GMT -6 Nugget, Glencairn, and 2 more like this

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Post by rickymouse on May 28, 2015 14:12:26 GMT -6

Hmmm. Just when you work so hard and think you may actually accomplished becoming a little crazy, someone comes by and says you are probably normal. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150527124725.htm

How depressing, reminds me of the article that said conspiracy theorists are possibly more sane than people who believe what they are told without question.

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A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 20:55:23 GMT -6 littled16, Glencairn, and 2 more like this

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Post by kdog on May 28, 2015 20:55:23 GMT -6

littled16,

You are my lunatic nutbag , that's why I protect you from the closet monster. :)

TrinityETR,

I really don't feel I have any labels, which I am sure many would disagree. LOL !
I don't think I can help you with your challenge.

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A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 21:02:16 GMT -6 Nugget, 727sky, and 3 more like this

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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 21:02:16 GMT -6

I think I'll share a story that happened to me on TOS, as it might be relevant to what you're asking.

I am a firm believer in miracles. I think that miracles happen on a daily basis, to different people and around the planet. I had stated as such in a thread (don't remember which though) and was confronted by two members that affirmed that miracles do not exist. At first, I was a tad pissed at those replies and so I reinforced the statement, mentioning that miracles do indeed exist and that it even had happened to me...a few times. They came back once again, the two of them, and reinforced their position by saying that not knowing how something works does not necessarily make it a miracle...

Damn. Couldn't toss that one aside. They were 100% right. We know so little of how these things work, it is indeed a possibility that miracles do not exist and are simply a belief acquired through ignorance. Ignorance of what we don't understand. Our brain, our reality, our life is one grandiose mystery. And mystery only means one thing; basically, we don't know much, but we think we know.

If anyone really stops and thinks about it, it's common sense.

But when all is said and done, I still prefer believing that miracles exist... :)

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A Challenge For Hernando's. May 28, 2015 21:10:15 GMT -6 Nugget, Glencairn, and 2 more like this

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Post by rickymouse on May 28, 2015 21:10:15 GMT -6

I believe miracles happen all the time. We just don't think of them as miracles, we ignore the possibility that something is steering this reality.

If you misplace your keys and spend three minutes looking for them then find them sitting at the first place you looked in plain sight then find if you would have been three minutes earlier on the road you would be right in middle of a pile up accident, is that actually a miracle?

We have been led to believe that miracles have to be unexplainable and outrageously overwhelming to be miracles.

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