I came across this article this morning and went whoa....there are sinkholes and then there are SINKHOLES....
The title grabbed my attention:
Giant Sinkhole Appears In Russia, Possibly Swallowing Homes
The first few lines of text are interesting:
An immense hole opened up in the ground on Tuesday in a large Russian city near the Ural Mountains. The 100 to 130-foot wide sinkhole looks to have swallowed several homes.
Russian geologists are searching the site for clues as to what caused the accident.
Then I looked at the Source, looking for images. Here are two of them:
I'd like opinions on this as those pics look shopped (To me anyway). The article mentions that this happened near the Ural Mountains (The Pass comes to mind) and that it could have happened because of a salt mine nearby.
Is the media playing its citizens again? Military reasons come to mind...
Or maybe it's just a sinkhole and I'm just a conspiracy theorist...
It has a closer photo of the sinkhole and it looks pretty legitimate. However, the article says this, courtesy of Google Translate's shoddy translation:
On the Internet there were first photos of soil failure in Solikamsk taken from the air. Apparently, the photos were taken automatic camera mounted on the airship. Recall the last is now used in place of dramatic events Emergencies Ministry staff in order to maximize the visual estimate of the volume of the funnel.
And then, here's RT's article on the subject:
A sinkhole 20 by 30 meters (65 by 98 feet) in size has been found near a Uralkali mine in Russia's Perm region. While the company says the development is of no further threat, locals fear the whole nearby town could go underground.
I'm guessing that it probably did happen. Doesn't appear to be the largest town so I can't see what application there would be to make the story up for military purpose. Soil collapse is a risk in mining operations and I'd bet that that is what happened here. My guess would be that the group most likely to gain from any hype that the cause is uncertain would be the mine owners, lol.
I got curious and looked up a bit on the town of Solikamsk. It appears to be a well-know salt mining area, with salt mining operations going back as far as 1430. I also found this article mentioning the temporary cessation of operations at a potash mine. The article, although brief, mentions the possibility of backfilling the mine in question being dangerous.
I get the feeling that mining in this area, with such a long history of mining operations, gets pretty hazardous. Sinkholes may simply be inevitable after this long.
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I have a question and I really have no clue as to the answer. I don't know if I should be suspicious or if nature is just weird this way..... However.....
Sinkholes I'd see from the truck and interstate highways were never perfectly round and sheer round walls, as if someone deliberately dug it for a giant well. They aren't wild shapes either, as I recall, but never did I see the perfect symmetry that some of these BIG ones have.
Another in South America appeared in the middle of a residential area, similar to this one, and like it? It also had the same round, sheer and smooth walls.
Here is another question..and one I haven't seen addressed. What, if we even know, do these areas look like underground BEFORE the final 'sink' exposes the issue to everyone top-side? Are there even any simulations to guesstimate what formation of these look like before they break the surface ..or suck it down?
It looks too artificial, and this is by far NOT the first one to cause me to think that way...just, perhaps, one of the largest.
So the possibility that this Russian sinkhole appeared because of a salt mine being flooded, could make sense as the ground liquefies, is plausible and probable. But those Russian pics still look shopped to me...
Last Edit: Nov 24, 2014 16:47:51 GMT -6 by Deleted
Post by whitealice on Nov 24, 2014 17:10:54 GMT -6
@wrabbit2000,
Well, sinkholes are a natural geological occurrence. Two of the most common causes of sinkholes developing, iirc, are shrink-swell clays and ground water depletion. What happened in Guatemala, however, wasn't a sinkhole. It was due to a shoddy piping system in the city and entirely man made.
If you do a search on google images for a sinkhole, you'll find they come in all sorts of weird circular shapes but not always perfect circles. They might start out round but eventually more will drop in additional weak areas to make them not quite so circular. The round ones just are eye catching because they look so peculiarly strange.
I'd like opinions on this as those pics look shopped (To me anyway). The article mentions that this happened near the Ural Mountains (The Pass comes to mind) and that it could have happened because of a salt mine nearby.
Is the media playing its citizens again? Military reasons come to mind...
Or maybe it's just a sinkhole and I'm just a conspiracy theorist...
Opinions, please..
Try this site for image info and creation. Image Edited It's pretty informative, I put this pic in photoshop and it has some interesting pixel areas but nothing grabbed me like some pics I have seen, but this could have been professionally done. My question was what appears to be cloud cover on the ground that ends at the opening to the hole, my guess is it would extend over the hole as well but stops. That was a 2 minute look with download, tomorrow I will take a closer look.
It could very well be from salt mines nearby that had flooded, as the article said.
I appreciate the feedback !!
After taking a closer look through photoshop if I was a betting man I would say it was shopped. Under magnification the pixel accuracy appears to be incorrect around the opening. The photo from far away under magnification also appears to be slightly in the wrong plane in comparison to the ground, and curiously there is a road on the left of the photo along the tree line that shows two telephone poles behind houses that are not there in the other photo, even under different lighting conditions. I changed the lighting just encase they blended in with the trees but they didn't. It would be much better if we had good color photos, but there is a reason for that if they aren't available.