Obama promises to defend Israel against any nation!

Wasn't "Senator" Obama responsible for the treaty with Ukraine? If the Ukraine would give up the nukes that they had and reduced their army and weapondry, the US was beleived to have their back in case of any Russian aggression.

Maybe I'm wrong. . . .

@marlingrace,
True enough statement you made there my friend and if you want to continue on that frame of thought,,, didn't Obama say, " If you like your Doctor You Can Keep Your Doctor, If You Like Your Health Care Plan You Can Keep Your Health Care Plan." Didn't he say that to the American Public?

Now What Was His Redply when asked, " Why can't we keep or Doctor or Health Care plan?"
"I didn't mean it that way or That Not What I said, You Misunderstood me",,,,,, Wasn't That His Reply?
He Lied and he'll continue to lie as long as he Opens His Mouth!
So My Friend, I Agree Wholeheartedly with your statement and I quote:
Yes He Is,,,, Please America, Lets Not Do This Again!
 

@marlingrace,

I agree, and I am with you in not giving 'moral equivilence' or humoring the argument that Obama and Bush are equally bad, or that all Presidents are basically the same.

I would have agreed with that...in 2008. I might have half way agreed right into 2012....not sure I could really believe what I thought I was seeing by that point.

At this point tho? Oh hell... Bush, Clinton and the others before him were corrupt in the old school, traditional ways. That isn't GOOD...but over a lifetime, we've learned to live with garden variety corruption as part of the American system. As American as Apple Pie...as sad as that is to admit.

Obama represents...something entirely new. He DID come to office saying, right from the start, our quality of life was in for downward adjustment. He told people straight out, for those who recall, that we can't 'just drive our SUV's like we always have' and a number of other 'we can't do this or that anymore'.

Who elected him to be the decider of American limitations and what we CANNOT do? We have a congress of cats being herded to give us that crap. We need a President to be a LEADER who can at least FAKE a sincere desire to see this nation do WELL....not be 'taught a lesson'. 

Well, to be unusually blunt? I always believed that, if worse came to worse, we had men with balls...not wimps with ideas of what that meant...around the President and working the upper levels of the most powerful Government the world has ever seen or known.

I thought, mistakenly, that the men who dedicated all they were toward serving the nation and the people elected to lead it..would..if worse came to worse..take one for the team and end a problem before our whole nation went down the crapper with a strong flush.

Marines...Secret Service..and more. Not a damn man among them. Not ONE. Just wimps and pathetic little girly men who follow in the steps of real MEN our modern version can't hold a candle to...

What happened to America being a nation of rugged can-do attitudes and individualism? One president or bad leader couldn't 'de-ball' our nation alone. We lost our way long before Obama came to shove us off the cliff. He just saw the opportunity and stepped up, I suppose.

@wrabbit2000,

Just a quickie note... I believe I'm pretty familiar with where the line is on this topic. We can't, even in pure humor, discuss deliberate bad action against not just the President, but after a change by Nancy Pelosi while she was speaker, it includes any principle of the National Command Authority.

I understand the pure speculation about what other folks may, may not, or could do in a variety of scenarios isn't in the same category by letter or spirit of the law.

Of course, if other serious folks with a job to do, feel they ever need to drop by (again) and have a chat? I haven't moved, and we can still make some fresh coffee for a chat about better times, and how frustrating the current state of the nation is to everyone. Official folks and normal citizens alike. I'm a very friendly bunny with a warm and humble abode. :)

@marlingrace,

I just wanted to add one thing to my own feelings on this. My vehement feelings toward the man elected to the White House in our nation has nothing to do with Obamacare or anything domestic, for that matter. I suppose you could call the immigration a domestic issue, and it has been in past administrations..but that isn't domestic to this man, by what I've watched here.

What pushes me beyond the point of being willing to view Obama as a legitimate leader by mandate, if not by law, is the fact he has literally sold us out to armed, determined and capable enemies of our nation. Just a matter of months...MONTHS...ago..his intelligence agencies were admitting they had no capability to do what the President now says his devil's deal requires as a baseline to be solid. HE tells us our Intelligence capability has never been better! ....as the professionals who work there, tell us its never been more unstable and weak.

We've thrown open our borders, while enemies who move as individuals and outside nation-state allegiance gather and cross amid the crowd of innocents....as I've come to believe they were INTENDED TO. By watching the whole picture together? yeah..I think that was fully intended, and perhaps, the whole point of the exercise. It sure isn't about true feeling for kids in Mexico or El Salvador.

We park our Navy, and line them up..for gods sakes..in the best imitation of Battleship Row that I've seen outside actual photographs in black & white of the real location, before it was utterly destroyed, with the Navy that formed it.

We have been belligerent and outright taunting to North Korea AND China behind them at several points, with relations remaining on the fine line of war (no big change on the DMZ) and as tense as they've been with China since Nixon went to say Hi a while back. Now, we find the "shield" we were told we had for missile defense, and what made that taunting something other than ASKING for disaster......is a bust, and never actually existed as such. Oh...that was great news. Almost like we're setting ourselves up for a beating. (smirk)

My feelings are clear. I'd never, personally do or allow (with advance knowledge) to see happen, something that would harm any U.S. leader (including that person in the White House) . I'm American, after all, and nothing can or will change that. Not at the heart of things.....

...however...if we heard an SS Agent went postal or a Marine felt payback time had come? I'd not only understand their actions....I'd probably hope to see their families well cared for in the aftermath. At what point..before the cliff's edge..do we say the last chance existed prior to total open war breaking out? Looking back?? Such moments *DID* exist in both World War I and World War II's developing days, and before nations turned on the war with no way to turn it back off.

In 50 years...what will the children of that age see as the points we could have stopped what is likely building in front of us? How many points...much clearer to those in the 'Bubble'..have come and gone, since things turned real hard toward places well outside the American system?

Ahh well.... I guess the feeling of inevitability of events is building, and it isn't a nice thing to have to watch happen to America.