1. Both sides will put the best spin on the deal.. that's a given, no? 2. If the video is correct the deal really is better than expected 3. How long before we hear complaints from the inspectors saying they can't get access ? 4. We are giving up all world sanctions and they are giving up much of the processing of uranium 5. IMO any country that wants to build a Nuclear power plant hasn't thought that through.. Waste management, and finally the decommissioning of the nuclear plant after 50 or so years.. What, just build another pyramid over the old structure ?
I used to be a big advocate of Nuclear until I got older and wiser as to the waste problem. I think this is a raw deal myself, to the west that is. I have nothing against the Iranian people, but I do against their government. Just I do here at home.
I expect at some point here in the near future to wake up and hear the news that Iran now has nukes...Just like what happened with the DPRK. Actually, I think they already have them as they aren't getting pounded as much as the DPRK is when it comes to sanctions. So I would not be one bit amazed if they announced soon that they have them.
Hell, even Israel hasn't announced that they have nukes, but that seems to be one of the world's worst kept secrets. Unless they are playing the same game that Saddam did in regards to WMD and we all see how that turned out.
Beware the man who has one gun, he probably knows how to use it.
"Hell, even Israel hasn't announced that they have nukes, but that seems to be one of the world's worst kept secrets. Unless they are playing the same game that Saddam did in regards to WMD and we all see how that turned out. "
Israel no longer has to admit to nukes, Obama has released declassified top secret documents to the public letting everyone know they have them. This of course was punishment for Netanyahu's speech in the house. It was probably the worst thing he could have done in my opinion because now that it's known for sure everyone will want one. Who is going to say no? If Israel has them then so should everyone else in the middle east. Of course as you know better than anyone, giving a bunch of middle east crazy nukes just means at some point they will make it here. or used against us somewhere else. Specially if they are briefcase size or tactical. It was a black day when he did that, and the Israelis aren't to be screwed with even if you are the POTUS.
I think he should have been imprisoned the moment his admin released those docs. They may have been old, but they are still prevalent.
And of course we have our Proggy buddies saying if one has them, then all should have them. At which point when one is used, some how or some way, the US and Israel will be at fault, even if neither initiated first strike.
Beware the man who has one gun, he probably knows how to use it.
Totally agree if anyone else during any prior administration had done this the Mossad would have had a nice little talk with them if our government didn't jail them first. It's one thing to out an individual but an entire county especially a allie is deplorable and in this case a danger to the ME, US troops and civilian personnel. There has to be some serious hand wringing going on in Israel right now on what to do because they just don't let things like this go. Mossad is just retribution spelled wrong.
I think he should have been imprisoned the moment his admin released those docs. They may have been old, but they are still prevalent.
And of course we have our Proggy buddies saying if one has them, then all should have them. At which point when one is used, some how or some way, the US and Israel will be at fault, even if neither initiated first strike.
I have to agree, and I know from your posting that there is a hell of a lot of emotion and feeling behind your couple lines of text on this. Ditto for me, and I wish I could say all I see and hope for the future, following this deal.....but there are no-kidding laws against even talking about some of what this brings to mind.
Obama apparently sat down and said 'God Damnit I am GOING to have at least ONE SUCCESS in foreign policy!!!'. He looked to his witch-in-residence, Jarret, and saw agreement with Iran to be HIS (it's ALWAYS about HIM) success for HIS legacy.
For all the sins of our nation, Karma has giving us what we've asked for. We just don't know we have it yet. When the shooting starts...we'll have no doubts about it, but it'll be far too late for a refund, indeed.
(All I ask the Gods of fate, Karma and poetic justice is that...some individuals *NEVER* live to see the end of what they have so carelessly created the situation for)
Totally agree if anyone else during any prior administration had done this the Mossad would have had a nice little talk with them if our government didn't jail them first.
@marlingrace,
Little Talk? lol..... Mossad doesn't talk with enemies that are considered beyond the point of working with or correcting in other ways. They simply kill them, with almost no distinction as to position in life or security applied to prevent it.
For those unfamiliar with Israel's direct action methods, google up their attempt to remove one of the top leaders of Hamas by poision while the guy was in Jordan, some years back. The Mossad is old school, and the public doesn't hear about success..as it should be. Just failure...and that was a whopper of an assassination mission to get nailed to the media wall with. They had to cough up an antidote too, as I recall it playing out.
Anyway... Obama must have some INCREDIBLE security that goes far beyond the morons he tolerates Secret Service assigning around him. I'd joke about what they can't stop...but it isn't a joke, and googling headlines is all that we need to do there. (sigh)
I'll still say this, ALWAYS, because I'm American. The WORST thing we could ever have happen, no matter what criminal would get his come uppance...is to see a sitting U.S. President leave office by assassination, and especially by foreign power. Whatever we have left of cohesion in our society would be blown to the 4 winds, and 4 riders on real special horses would be along to fill the void and exploit the chaos.
^^^ Given all other events happening? That last sentence...isn't as much in jest as it once would have been. Some days, I swear, we can hear the hoof beat if we listen hard enough.
Sheesh I was trying to be nice, but since you insist yeah they would dispense with the POS at any level, my personal favorite is the trick they created because they are so friggn crafty when they put a small amount of RDX in a cell phone gave it to a Hamas bomb maker. When he made a call they detonated it. So clever.. One thing is for sure, Shin Bet, Moosad, and the Israeli government make sure no one gets away with killing their people without retribution. You have to respect that, and I would bet their enemies respect them as well.
Our military and government used to be the same, today this administration would supply a press conference after you were killed promising they did everything for your release, and Obama didn't even know you were a captive until he saw it on the news at the same time the public did. Fallen military at any age, captives, and murders were at one time, recovered at any age, rescued without question, and avenged quietly.
You have to respect that, and I would bet their enemies respect them as well.
That is one of the larger things I do respect about Israel. In a world where so much runs on double-speak and legalese language to loophole everything...Israel tends to say what they'll do and then do what they say.
Of course, as we are brought into line with the business end of their potential rage..I'd prefer that be a little LESS true right now, but folks who want a major change in America will certainly get their wish if Israel strikes out with what they believe is nothing left to lose by the effort. Several nations might come to see that in surprising ways, IMO.
You have to respect that, and I would bet their enemies respect them as well.
That is one of the larger things I do respect about Israel. In a world where so much runs on double-speak and legalese language to loophole everything...Israel tends to say what they'll do and then do what they say.
Of course, as we are brought into line with the business end of their potential rage..I'd prefer that be a little LESS true right now, but folks who want a major change in America will certainly get their wish if Israel strikes out with what they believe is nothing left to lose by the effort. Several nations might come to see that in surprising ways, IMO.
This I have to agree with completely, but I do think the current administration has set the tone for allowing others to complain instead of realizing the predicament Israel is really in. They really are surrounded by countries on all sides that want to see their extermination. The calculating insanity of this administration releasing the documents on Israel's nuclear weapons will come back to hurt us.
This administration is evil in what they've done. I think a fair % of people will come to think back in time and realize what happened here. In 2008, as I distinctly recall by talking about it with people, and in this context, the idea of the U.S. being anything but a strong friend or ally to Israel was laughable, and a single President couldn't really change that.
...but, he has. In a hundred different ways, and a thousand little things said or done, deliberately in my opinion by hindsight, to produce the end result. I don't mean he did much, beyond subtle things in speech language, but the President leads, directs and represents a couple million folks, through the direct control of just a handful at Cabinet level. Not hard to encourage a shift of opinion, slowly, when slowly really is the only lasting way it happens.
A nation that would have damn near revolted by both Religious and Nationalist grounds before ever going directly against Israel, now? Well...the public could be convinced to remain indifferent now I think, as they have been, right up to where no one can anymore.
People talk about psy-op this, and false flag that...but I rarely take the talk for more than silly B.S.. Why? The people who really DO that for a living and are called professionals and experts at it are generally good at it. We wouldn't generally know we were seeing one happening unless they really screwed up....or it had run its course, and subtlety took second place to expediency.