Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 9:15:34 GMT -6
I have to say, this story makes me sick. It makes me sick on a personal level and not for the reasons one might first think.
To get something out of the way, I don't believe Bin Laden was killed that night. I think he WAS still alive to that point in time, living with official "unofficial" protection of Pakistan, just a stones throw from their version of "West Point", where he was. I also think he died screaming like a school girl in a pit somewhere in S.E. Asia, telling everything down to secrets from his childhood, to some very happy American agents supplying the proper motivation for an honest chat. For all we know, his housekeeper became fish food for the news stories. Who knows...
Anyway... Enter the American ego-tripper. Folks go into the Naval Special Warfare community for a good number of reasons, and all are serious ones. No one makes it through their selection process unless they have inner motivation at a level to leave most people wondering where it even came from. So, I'll concede these are as close to 'Supermen' as modern military training is capable of making them. Spartans in the 21st century. Fine Fine....I'm happy for them. Their parties must look like a flood of testosterone on a Biblical level.
Do their wives wear body armor around the house? Do their kids have bullet proof backpacks ..and what of their school friends? I hope the schools have VERY serious counter-terrorism protection on par with Israel, and for the very same reason in this case.
It's odd...They don't even mention what really matters here as more than a passing issue. As if safety of the innocents is a mere whimsy...but then again, we're talking about a White House that handed over DEEPLY classified files and details...to make a movie for political points. So, I guess life or death of individuals is a really abstract concept to some here.
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Now if he didn't become the very shining example of a media whore, I may have maintained respect for the man and his accomplishments as a US Special Warfare soldier. However....He's put his own ego above the lives of those around him, and the innocents beyond them. That makes him lower than dog crap on a hot sidewalk.
.........Consider this from a book I read once about one of the most effective and honorable Texas Rangers to have served in modern times. It was in context to his son being convicted of murder in New Mexico, and having to attend the trial as a father, and on the wrong side of the courtroom from where a Ranger would normally sit. His statement ran to the effect that 'To kill a Texas Ranger, one doesn't go for the man himself. To kill a Ranger, taking the son is effective beyond any direct fight'.
So it is here..... Mighty-Mouse there may be able to take on 1,000 terrorists with one hand and smoke a cigarette with the other in sheer boredom....but his family is mortal. His neighbors are mortal. His kid's schoolmates are mortal, or will be if he doesn't have a big family quite yet. He'll be a hunted man until the day he dies a natural death..and I doubt they ever go for HIM DIRECTLY........because he's mighty-mouse and they wouldn't stand a chance. lol..... No...because killing all that means something to him will do more to him than a thousand of his own deaths. Our enemy thinks in those terms...and we've never understood or giving credit for it.
.....That isn't a concept I came up with, and I wouldn't share it for ideas to others if I had. No..This is a concept our ENEMY has been working from in different situations far longer than we've had a place to call the United States ...and if we knew anything about the cultures we go attack and blow the crap out of...perhaps Mighty-Mouse would have understood how many people he hung a potential death warrant on .....with his own ego.
If ONE person...JUST ONE...should die at the hands of people trying to do HIM harm in this nation? HE ought to forfeit HIS freedom for the rest of his natural life. He isn't some 'man on the street'......ignorant to cause and effect. He was trained to a level where he could literally TEACH it to others in the field, and that is actually among the duties of his former profession. Ignorance is..no excuse.
To get something out of the way, I don't believe Bin Laden was killed that night. I think he WAS still alive to that point in time, living with official "unofficial" protection of Pakistan, just a stones throw from their version of "West Point", where he was. I also think he died screaming like a school girl in a pit somewhere in S.E. Asia, telling everything down to secrets from his childhood, to some very happy American agents supplying the proper motivation for an honest chat. For all we know, his housekeeper became fish food for the news stories. Who knows...
Anyway... Enter the American ego-tripper. Folks go into the Naval Special Warfare community for a good number of reasons, and all are serious ones. No one makes it through their selection process unless they have inner motivation at a level to leave most people wondering where it even came from. So, I'll concede these are as close to 'Supermen' as modern military training is capable of making them. Spartans in the 21st century. Fine Fine....I'm happy for them. Their parties must look like a flood of testosterone on a Biblical level.
Do their wives wear body armor around the house? Do their kids have bullet proof backpacks ..and what of their school friends? I hope the schools have VERY serious counter-terrorism protection on par with Israel, and for the very same reason in this case.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Navy SEAL Robert O'Neill, who says he fired the shots that killed Osama bin Laden, played a role in some of the most consequential combat missions of the post-9/11 era, including three depicted in Hollywood movies. And now he's telling the world about them.
By doing so, O'Neill has almost certainly increased his earning power on the speaking circuit. He also may have put himself and his family at greater risk. And he has earned the enmity of some current and former SEALs by violating their code of silence
By doing so, O'Neill has almost certainly increased his earning power on the speaking circuit. He also may have put himself and his family at greater risk. And he has earned the enmity of some current and former SEALs by violating their code of silence
It's odd...They don't even mention what really matters here as more than a passing issue. As if safety of the innocents is a mere whimsy...but then again, we're talking about a White House that handed over DEEPLY classified files and details...to make a movie for political points. So, I guess life or death of individuals is a really abstract concept to some here.
O'Neill's key role in the 2011 bin Laden raid was hardly his only brush with a high-profile mission. He was on the 2009 mission to rescue the captain of the merchant ship Maersk Alabama, who was taken hostage by Somali pirates. That episode was featured in the Tom Hanks movie "Captain Phillips."
And he was part of the group that helped retrieve Marcus Luttrell, the sole survivor of a four-man team attacked in 2005 while tracking a Taliban leader in Afghanistan. The Luttrell episode was featured in the 2013 film "Lone Survivor."
And he was part of the group that helped retrieve Marcus Luttrell, the sole survivor of a four-man team attacked in 2005 while tracking a Taliban leader in Afghanistan. The Luttrell episode was featured in the 2013 film "Lone Survivor."
Now if he didn't become the very shining example of a media whore, I may have maintained respect for the man and his accomplishments as a US Special Warfare soldier. However....He's put his own ego above the lives of those around him, and the innocents beyond them. That makes him lower than dog crap on a hot sidewalk.
.........Consider this from a book I read once about one of the most effective and honorable Texas Rangers to have served in modern times. It was in context to his son being convicted of murder in New Mexico, and having to attend the trial as a father, and on the wrong side of the courtroom from where a Ranger would normally sit. His statement ran to the effect that 'To kill a Texas Ranger, one doesn't go for the man himself. To kill a Ranger, taking the son is effective beyond any direct fight'.
So it is here..... Mighty-Mouse there may be able to take on 1,000 terrorists with one hand and smoke a cigarette with the other in sheer boredom....but his family is mortal. His neighbors are mortal. His kid's schoolmates are mortal, or will be if he doesn't have a big family quite yet. He'll be a hunted man until the day he dies a natural death..and I doubt they ever go for HIM DIRECTLY........because he's mighty-mouse and they wouldn't stand a chance. lol..... No...because killing all that means something to him will do more to him than a thousand of his own deaths. Our enemy thinks in those terms...and we've never understood or giving credit for it.
.....That isn't a concept I came up with, and I wouldn't share it for ideas to others if I had. No..This is a concept our ENEMY has been working from in different situations far longer than we've had a place to call the United States ...and if we knew anything about the cultures we go attack and blow the crap out of...perhaps Mighty-Mouse would have understood how many people he hung a potential death warrant on .....with his own ego.
If ONE person...JUST ONE...should die at the hands of people trying to do HIM harm in this nation? HE ought to forfeit HIS freedom for the rest of his natural life. He isn't some 'man on the street'......ignorant to cause and effect. He was trained to a level where he could literally TEACH it to others in the field, and that is actually among the duties of his former profession. Ignorance is..no excuse.
