Post by bonhommearmonica on Jan 11, 2015 23:21:28 GMT -6
Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. the Obamas
video.foxbusiness.com/v/3664471065001/is-obama-secretly-backing-sen-warren/?#sp=show-clips
video.foxbusiness.com/v/3639722954001/ed-klein-on-blood-feud--the-clintons-vs-the-obamas/?#sp=show-clips
Where did I get the idea it was Elizabeth Warren
Elizabeth Warren On New Leadership Position: 'Nobody's Clipping My Wings'
The original article where I read this is gone and I cant find it
but this pretty much came out of the blue
(warning embedded video)
Why Senate Democrats Created New Position For Elizabeth Warren
(NOTE: ABC article is a fluff piece but the educated reader can see the propaganda.. Hard Knock University)
The main thing I am bringing to the Thread here from the one I created at TOS over Hillary was this idea
For Clinton, a Key Group Didn’t Hold
IMHO
The Election will have to major battles
The Superdelgates at the DNC
and
The RNC has one choice
JEB bush
none of the other republicans can muster the support to win against the winner of the DNC superdelegate battle
if the republicans put up anyone other then JEB they lose
From the Inside Flap
The Clintons and the Obamas...
...it's more than a political rivalry, it's a Blood Feud
They are allies by circumstance, rivals in fact, and enemies by personal animosity. New York Times bestselling author Edward Klein pulls back the veil on the most unreported story in Washington—the jealousy and antipathy that divides the two most powerful Democratic families in the country.
With unparalleled reporting and access to the most sensitive sources close to the principals, Klein gives an insider's, behind the scenes view of the mutual loathing between the Democratic standard-bearers.
In Blood Feud, you'll learn:
Why Michelle Obama’s political ambitions could rival Hillary Clinton's
About the “deal”: why Bill Clinton supported Barack Obama for reelection—and why he feels betrayed
Benghazi: how Barack Obama set up Hillary Clinton to take the blame
How the one—and only—White House dinner between the Obamas and the Clintons was fraught with tension and contempt
The Oprah factor: how she was used by the Obamas—and stroked by the Clintons
How not just Bill and Hillary, but Barack and Michelle, lead largely separate lives
The power behind the president—it’s not Michelle, but her best friend who sets the administration’s policies and personnel
The secret Hillary Clinton is keeping that could make it impossible for her to be president
Jaw-dropping in its revelations, compulsively readable in the famous Klein style, Blood Feud will be the most talked about political book of the year.
The Clintons and the Obamas...
...it's more than a political rivalry, it's a Blood Feud
They are allies by circumstance, rivals in fact, and enemies by personal animosity. New York Times bestselling author Edward Klein pulls back the veil on the most unreported story in Washington—the jealousy and antipathy that divides the two most powerful Democratic families in the country.
With unparalleled reporting and access to the most sensitive sources close to the principals, Klein gives an insider's, behind the scenes view of the mutual loathing between the Democratic standard-bearers.
In Blood Feud, you'll learn:
Why Michelle Obama’s political ambitions could rival Hillary Clinton's
About the “deal”: why Bill Clinton supported Barack Obama for reelection—and why he feels betrayed
Benghazi: how Barack Obama set up Hillary Clinton to take the blame
How the one—and only—White House dinner between the Obamas and the Clintons was fraught with tension and contempt
The Oprah factor: how she was used by the Obamas—and stroked by the Clintons
How not just Bill and Hillary, but Barack and Michelle, lead largely separate lives
The power behind the president—it’s not Michelle, but her best friend who sets the administration’s policies and personnel
The secret Hillary Clinton is keeping that could make it impossible for her to be president
Jaw-dropping in its revelations, compulsively readable in the famous Klein style, Blood Feud will be the most talked about political book of the year.
video.foxbusiness.com/v/3664471065001/is-obama-secretly-backing-sen-warren/?#sp=show-clips
video.foxbusiness.com/v/3639722954001/ed-klein-on-blood-feud--the-clintons-vs-the-obamas/?#sp=show-clips
Where did I get the idea it was Elizabeth Warren
Elizabeth Warren On New Leadership Position: 'Nobody's Clipping My Wings'
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) pushed back Thursday evening against the notion that her new Senate position means that she will be a "liberal liaison" between Democratic leaders and the party's progressive base.
"I don't quite understand it," said Warren of the oft-repeated, informal title that's been used in media reports to describe her new leadership position.
Warren's elevation was ratified Thursday during a more than three-hour, closed-door meeting, where Democrats elected their new Senate leaders for the next Congress. Warren's role had not previously been disclosed to the caucus, having only been reported as a possibility by HuffPost the afternoon before. Before the meeting had ended, reporters were being told by sources outside Reid's office that Warren would be a "liberal liaison," and would additionally hold a policy portfolio.
"I don't quite understand it," said Warren of the oft-repeated, informal title that's been used in media reports to describe her new leadership position.
Warren's elevation was ratified Thursday during a more than three-hour, closed-door meeting, where Democrats elected their new Senate leaders for the next Congress. Warren's role had not previously been disclosed to the caucus, having only been reported as a possibility by HuffPost the afternoon before. Before the meeting had ended, reporters were being told by sources outside Reid's office that Warren would be a "liberal liaison," and would additionally hold a policy portfolio.
The original article where I read this is gone and I cant find it
but this pretty much came out of the blue
(warning embedded video)
Why Senate Democrats Created New Position For Elizabeth Warren
Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., is joining Senate leadership after Senate Democrats created a new leadership position just for her.
In the new position as a strategic policy adviser to the DPCC, Warren will serve as a liaison to liberal groups to ensure they have a voice in leadership meetings and discussions, according to a source familiar with the role.
Hillary Clinton Showers Elizabeth Warren With ‘Love’
Why Democrats and Republicans Alike Love to See Elizabeth Warren on the Campaign Trail
Is Elizabeth Warren Too Liberal for the Campaign Trail?
“I believe in what the Democrats are fighting for. You know Wall Street is doing very well. CEO's are bringing in millions more and families all across this country are struggling. We have to make this government work for the American people and that's what we're here to fight for,” Warren said in response to a question from ABC News about her new position. “I am grateful to the leader. I am grateful to the caucus to give me the chance to be part of that fight but that's what we're all going to be here doing every single day. That's what we're about.”
The newly created position will elevate Warren's stature in the Senate at a time when many progressives are calling on her to run for president in 2016.
“I expect her to be Elizabeth Warren,” said Sen. Harry Reid, who was elected as the next Senate Minority Leader.
Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., joined the leadership team as the director of steering and outreach. Democrats also selected Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., as chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
Reid was elected as the next Senate Minority Leader though he drew opposition from at least two Democratic senators – Claire McCaskill of Missouri and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Manchin said a group of senators asked for Democrats to be given an additional week to discuss who should be the next leader and what changes Democrats need to make in the next Congress.
On the Republican side, Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell was elected to be the next Senate Majority Leader by acclamation in the Republican caucus. McConnell and Reid will assume their new positions when the new Congress convenes in January.
Republicans elected Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Mississippi, as chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee for the next cycle, which will consist of many close races in Republican held seats.
-Why Democrats and Republicans Alike Love to See Elizabeth Warren on the Campaign Trail
-Is Elizabeth Warren Too Liberal for the Campaign Trail?
-Elizabeth Warren Details Middle-Class Struggles, Political Fights in New Book
-Elizabeth Warren: 'I'm Not Running for President'
-Sen. Richard Burr: Terror Threat a 'War on Western Civilization'
-How Dangerous is Al Qaeda in Yemen?
In the new position as a strategic policy adviser to the DPCC, Warren will serve as a liaison to liberal groups to ensure they have a voice in leadership meetings and discussions, according to a source familiar with the role.
Hillary Clinton Showers Elizabeth Warren With ‘Love’
Why Democrats and Republicans Alike Love to See Elizabeth Warren on the Campaign Trail
Is Elizabeth Warren Too Liberal for the Campaign Trail?
“I believe in what the Democrats are fighting for. You know Wall Street is doing very well. CEO's are bringing in millions more and families all across this country are struggling. We have to make this government work for the American people and that's what we're here to fight for,” Warren said in response to a question from ABC News about her new position. “I am grateful to the leader. I am grateful to the caucus to give me the chance to be part of that fight but that's what we're all going to be here doing every single day. That's what we're about.”
The newly created position will elevate Warren's stature in the Senate at a time when many progressives are calling on her to run for president in 2016.
“I expect her to be Elizabeth Warren,” said Sen. Harry Reid, who was elected as the next Senate Minority Leader.
Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., joined the leadership team as the director of steering and outreach. Democrats also selected Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., as chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
Reid was elected as the next Senate Minority Leader though he drew opposition from at least two Democratic senators – Claire McCaskill of Missouri and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Manchin said a group of senators asked for Democrats to be given an additional week to discuss who should be the next leader and what changes Democrats need to make in the next Congress.
On the Republican side, Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell was elected to be the next Senate Majority Leader by acclamation in the Republican caucus. McConnell and Reid will assume their new positions when the new Congress convenes in January.
Republicans elected Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Mississippi, as chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee for the next cycle, which will consist of many close races in Republican held seats.
-Why Democrats and Republicans Alike Love to See Elizabeth Warren on the Campaign Trail
-Is Elizabeth Warren Too Liberal for the Campaign Trail?
-Elizabeth Warren Details Middle-Class Struggles, Political Fights in New Book
-Elizabeth Warren: 'I'm Not Running for President'
-Sen. Richard Burr: Terror Threat a 'War on Western Civilization'
-How Dangerous is Al Qaeda in Yemen?
(NOTE: ABC article is a fluff piece but the educated reader can see the propaganda.. Hard Knock University)
The main thing I am bringing to the Thread here from the one I created at TOS over Hillary was this idea
For Clinton, a Key Group Didn’t Hold
By mid-March, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign knew it had a problem with what it had once assumed was a reliable firewall — its support among superdelegates.
The fight for pledged delegates for the Democratic nomination was essentially over. Senator Barack Obama was ahead, after winning a series of caucuses in states that Mrs. Clinton virtually ignored.
Still, it became apparent that neither he nor Mrs. Clinton could claim the presidential nomination with pledged delegates alone, and the two would need superdelegates — elected officials and party activists — to fill the gap.
For Mrs. Clinton in particular, that signaled danger. The commanding lead she had held in superdelegates at the start of the contests — she was about 100 ahead of Mr. Obama — had dwindled by mid-March, to 12.
And superdelegates were showing an independence that the Clinton campaign had not counted on, not quite buying her argument that she was more electable than Mr. Obama.
The break in Mrs. Clinton’s supposed firewall turned out to be one of the most important factors in her campaign.
“Sure, Senator Clinton was the favorite early on, but that was simply because of the institutional support that she already had,” said Jason Rae of Wisconsin, a superdelegate who endorsed Mr. Obama in February. “In the beginning, people were unsure of Senator Obama. But as they continued to see primary after primary, and him excelling, and him attracting all these new voters, I think the superdelegates really started feeling more comfortable with him.”
Of all the assumptions the Clinton campaign made going into the race, its support among the party establishment seemed like a safe bet. Many of the superdelegates, who help pick the nominee at the convention in August, came of age during the Bill Clinton presidency. Many were personal Clinton loyalists, cultivated to help deliver the vote.
But the Obama campaign convinced many superdelegates that they should follow the voters’ will in making their endorsements. To the puzzlement and increasing frustration of the Clinton camp, few flowed her way. Her campaign never recovered from its string of losses through February. By the time she started winning again, with Ohio on March 4, her support among superdelegates hardly inched up.
At the same time, Mr. Obama posted a small but steady increase, culminating in a flood that surged on Tuesday and helped him claim the nomination.
In retrospect, relying on superdelegates as a firewall was flawed, said superdelegates who endorsed Mr. Obama.
Representative David E. Price, a superdelegate from North Carolina, said the idea that Mrs. Clinton could amass enough superdelegates to overturn the verdict of pledged delegates “was never in the cards.”
Don Fowler, a former party chairman and a superdelegate who had supported Mrs. Clinton, said as much in a memo to the campaign on March 11 predicting that at the end of the primaries Mr. Obama would have about 100 more pledged delegates than Mrs. Clinton.
Mr. Fowler said that “everything humanly possible should be done” to keep that number below 100, because it would be easier to persuade superdelegates that the two were essentially tied.
The Clintons certainly tried, interviews with two dozen superdelegates found. Many said that the Clintons had intensely pressured them and that their endorsements became a test of personal loyalty, subject to a hard sell. At the same time, many said they were drawn to the Obama campaign’s excitement.
So even during the Obama campaign’s darkest days — an eight-week stretch between Ohio and the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, during which Mr. Obama had called rural voters “bitter” and had to renounce his ties to his former pastor because of racial comments — more superdelegates were lining up with him than with her.
The Obama campaign skillfully managed the flow. Richard Machacek, a farmer and superdelegate from Iowa, for instance, said he told the Obama campaign on a Monday, April 29, that he was endorsing Mr. Obama. The campaign waited until Tuesday afternoon, the same day that Mr. Obama held a news conference to angrily renounce Reverend Wright, to announce Mr. Machacek’s endorsement.
“I don’t know if that was on my mind,” Mr. Machacek said of the timing. “But he needed it more then than he did before.”
David Wilhelm, Mr. Clinton’s first chairman of the Democratic Party, endorsed Mr. Obama in mid-February because, he said, he recognized the race might come down to them and he wanted to send a message to other superdelegates that it was time to support Mr. Obama.
Representative Ben Chandler of Kentucky, who came out for Mr. Obama on April 29, said he timed his endorsement to an “unusually critical” moment.
Mr. Chandler made a reference to the controversial Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. “Reverend Wright’s second incarnation,” Mr. Chandler said. “I did step forward then, because I thought it would be particularly important to him at that time. They seemed to be very happy about it.”
It was the sense among many superdelegates that they should follow the voters’ lead rather than loyalty to the Clintons that prompted many to come out on Mr. Obama’s behalf.
Patsy Arceneaux, a National Committee member from Louisiana who had a friendship with the Clintons, was persuaded early this year to support Mrs. Clinton. But when Mr. Clinton made what she saw as racially inflammatory comments in South Carolina, Ms. Arceneaux said she developed serious misgivings about supporting Mrs. Clinton.
After switching to Mr. Obama two weeks ago, the Clinton campaign bombarded her with dozens of calls, she said. “You can’t imagine how stressful this has been,” Ms. Arceneaux said. “It had gotten to where my life had just been taken over by this.”
Debbie Marquez, a superdelegate from Colorado, said she had made up her mind to shift to Mr. Obama, largely because he opposed the Iraq war from the start. The ex-president called and talked for 45 minutes, she said.
“When people talk about the finger wagging and lecturing in his speeches, I kind of felt that was going on over the phone,” Ms. Marquez said.
In the end, she was not swayed.
Austin Bogues contributed reporting.
The fight for pledged delegates for the Democratic nomination was essentially over. Senator Barack Obama was ahead, after winning a series of caucuses in states that Mrs. Clinton virtually ignored.
Still, it became apparent that neither he nor Mrs. Clinton could claim the presidential nomination with pledged delegates alone, and the two would need superdelegates — elected officials and party activists — to fill the gap.
For Mrs. Clinton in particular, that signaled danger. The commanding lead she had held in superdelegates at the start of the contests — she was about 100 ahead of Mr. Obama — had dwindled by mid-March, to 12.
And superdelegates were showing an independence that the Clinton campaign had not counted on, not quite buying her argument that she was more electable than Mr. Obama.
The break in Mrs. Clinton’s supposed firewall turned out to be one of the most important factors in her campaign.
“Sure, Senator Clinton was the favorite early on, but that was simply because of the institutional support that she already had,” said Jason Rae of Wisconsin, a superdelegate who endorsed Mr. Obama in February. “In the beginning, people were unsure of Senator Obama. But as they continued to see primary after primary, and him excelling, and him attracting all these new voters, I think the superdelegates really started feeling more comfortable with him.”
Of all the assumptions the Clinton campaign made going into the race, its support among the party establishment seemed like a safe bet. Many of the superdelegates, who help pick the nominee at the convention in August, came of age during the Bill Clinton presidency. Many were personal Clinton loyalists, cultivated to help deliver the vote.
But the Obama campaign convinced many superdelegates that they should follow the voters’ will in making their endorsements. To the puzzlement and increasing frustration of the Clinton camp, few flowed her way. Her campaign never recovered from its string of losses through February. By the time she started winning again, with Ohio on March 4, her support among superdelegates hardly inched up.
At the same time, Mr. Obama posted a small but steady increase, culminating in a flood that surged on Tuesday and helped him claim the nomination.
In retrospect, relying on superdelegates as a firewall was flawed, said superdelegates who endorsed Mr. Obama.
Representative David E. Price, a superdelegate from North Carolina, said the idea that Mrs. Clinton could amass enough superdelegates to overturn the verdict of pledged delegates “was never in the cards.”
Don Fowler, a former party chairman and a superdelegate who had supported Mrs. Clinton, said as much in a memo to the campaign on March 11 predicting that at the end of the primaries Mr. Obama would have about 100 more pledged delegates than Mrs. Clinton.
Mr. Fowler said that “everything humanly possible should be done” to keep that number below 100, because it would be easier to persuade superdelegates that the two were essentially tied.
The Clintons certainly tried, interviews with two dozen superdelegates found. Many said that the Clintons had intensely pressured them and that their endorsements became a test of personal loyalty, subject to a hard sell. At the same time, many said they were drawn to the Obama campaign’s excitement.
So even during the Obama campaign’s darkest days — an eight-week stretch between Ohio and the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, during which Mr. Obama had called rural voters “bitter” and had to renounce his ties to his former pastor because of racial comments — more superdelegates were lining up with him than with her.
The Obama campaign skillfully managed the flow. Richard Machacek, a farmer and superdelegate from Iowa, for instance, said he told the Obama campaign on a Monday, April 29, that he was endorsing Mr. Obama. The campaign waited until Tuesday afternoon, the same day that Mr. Obama held a news conference to angrily renounce Reverend Wright, to announce Mr. Machacek’s endorsement.
“I don’t know if that was on my mind,” Mr. Machacek said of the timing. “But he needed it more then than he did before.”
David Wilhelm, Mr. Clinton’s first chairman of the Democratic Party, endorsed Mr. Obama in mid-February because, he said, he recognized the race might come down to them and he wanted to send a message to other superdelegates that it was time to support Mr. Obama.
Representative Ben Chandler of Kentucky, who came out for Mr. Obama on April 29, said he timed his endorsement to an “unusually critical” moment.
Mr. Chandler made a reference to the controversial Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. “Reverend Wright’s second incarnation,” Mr. Chandler said. “I did step forward then, because I thought it would be particularly important to him at that time. They seemed to be very happy about it.”
It was the sense among many superdelegates that they should follow the voters’ lead rather than loyalty to the Clintons that prompted many to come out on Mr. Obama’s behalf.
Patsy Arceneaux, a National Committee member from Louisiana who had a friendship with the Clintons, was persuaded early this year to support Mrs. Clinton. But when Mr. Clinton made what she saw as racially inflammatory comments in South Carolina, Ms. Arceneaux said she developed serious misgivings about supporting Mrs. Clinton.
After switching to Mr. Obama two weeks ago, the Clinton campaign bombarded her with dozens of calls, she said. “You can’t imagine how stressful this has been,” Ms. Arceneaux said. “It had gotten to where my life had just been taken over by this.”
Debbie Marquez, a superdelegate from Colorado, said she had made up her mind to shift to Mr. Obama, largely because he opposed the Iraq war from the start. The ex-president called and talked for 45 minutes, she said.
“When people talk about the finger wagging and lecturing in his speeches, I kind of felt that was going on over the phone,” Ms. Marquez said.
In the end, she was not swayed.
Austin Bogues contributed reporting.
IMHO
The Election will have to major battles
The Superdelgates at the DNC
and
The RNC has one choice
JEB bush
none of the other republicans can muster the support to win against the winner of the DNC superdelegate battle
if the republicans put up anyone other then JEB they lose