9/11 was an orchestrated attack from Al-Quaida that had bases in Irak, with other WMDs that mysteriously disappeared. Saddam Hussein was like David Copperfield but Irak style.
Kennedy was shot by Oswald, who used magic bullets. The manufacturer of this magical weapon is also from Irak.
The Alphabet agencies exist to protect us. And the TSA agents touch our jewels to make sure we're healthy. 'cough cough' ok. You're good.
The Governments are transparent. They only want our good. And our taxes. Can't forget the taxes. It's for our good too.
The military holds no secrets from ordinary citizens and Area 51 is a myth.
The Corporations are there for our own good. So are the Pharmaceutical industries and the Oil barons. We're broke, sick and out of gas but we're looking pretty.
Aliens? What aliens?
Mars has water....pfffft. Saying that twenty years ago would have made you a consp...oh wait....
Yeah. I like this Dr. Actually, I wish we'd be buddies. I'd invited him over to Duffy's. I'm sure we can find tons of kool-aid to satisfy his thirst.
Wrabbit: Hello, we need immediate medical attention at (redacted) please, and hurry!!
Dispatch: What seems to be the nature of the crisis, sir?
Wrabbit: We operate a general chat and conspiracy site, and one of our best staff has had a break with reality! Hurry!
Dispatch: I'm sorry, that doesn't appear here on my checklist for emergencies?
Wrabbit: (sigh) Okay, he broke with reality to suggest Climate change isn't real, the Government is here to help us, and something about shooting people in Oz, like Kennedy got it!
Dispatch: Goodness! It sounds horrible! Stay away from the suspect, take shelter, and wait for the calvary to arrive!
(hangs up)
hehehehe...Just gotta know how to talk to 'em ....
You'll have help soon Sol! Hang in there buddy! We can see you're in need!
My name is Solarius and I am a conspiracy theorist. Is there such a thing as CTA meetings anywhere?
It's based on a lack of trust towards our governments, the corporations, Big Pharma, the oil industry, GMO pushers, fluoride pushers and so on. My bad.
I am a conspiracy theorist I guess. I think Society is all screwed up and most people can't comprehend that the reality we live in is controlled and we have been conditioned to believe multiple lies. Many of these lies are actually good for Society though, tracking down the reason for the misguided policies was hard at first but once you learn where to look it is a lot simpler.
First to be a conspiracy theory there has to be little truth to the theory. Otherwise it is just insider information or proper deduction. But we have been conditioned to not see the truth and believe in multiple lies. Who is orchestrating this? Society is the main thing that is creating this. If something jeopardizes your way of life, most people will ignore it or call it a conspiracy or the person saying it a nutjob. Look at the environmentalists warning us for decades that poluteing our environment will eventually cause us harm. Now they label it climate change and a diminishing food supply. Environmentalists were mocked by many because it would interfere with what they wanted to do. The conspirators were not the tree huggers, the conspiracy lies in our desire to do anything to get what we want, to profit from exploitation.
I call this research bunk. Many conspiracy theorists are right, but they can't properly access the problem to find the real cause of the conspiracy. It seems that conspiracies are being started to make us look in the wrong direction. Like the people starting them are actually trying to hide something and shift the focus so we look consistently in a direction that can be disproved. We need to look all around to find something else going on and study how everything works to be able to identify the deception going on.
This research may have been created to try to discredit the truth. To get us to disbelieve the truth when it happens. If evidence to prove something is not accepted by the ones in charge even though it is legit, then the deception will continue. Ad Hominum has many faces.
"The conspirators were not the tree huggers, the conspiracy lies in our desire to do anything to get what we want, to profit from exploitation."
Without a gullible, willing and paying customer-base, though...who could afford to exploit anything?
"...It seems that conspiracies are being started to make us look in the wrong direction. Like the people starting them are actually trying to hide something and shift the focus so we look consistently in a direction that can be disproved..."
Agreed! If you feed a class of primary-ed kids a bunch of garbage along with the truth...and let them run with it...see what kind/s of outlandish stories emerge.
(fosters a need for experts and authorities)
Why would they do such a thing...?
...To create a class of 'goofballs' that can later be deemed 'socially unprofitable'...and, dealt with in the manners of that 'time'. (opinion)
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Post by theboyinadress on Oct 4, 2015 4:39:35 GMT -6
I have no real handle on 9-11, some of the offered science clashes with what we generally see when such flimsy objects as commercial planes hits two structures that are high up.
Another aircraft hits part of the Pentagon using remarkable 'steering'... (is that the correct word, Sky?!) and another plane smashes into the earth and leaves no credible wreckage.
The whole incident with Building Seven is even more confusing and as seen here, the media tends to separate the buildings when discussing the fire damage, yet clump them together in a 'rolling-reason' syndrome. Standard Story:
I suppose my only mild-but-sarcastic question is 'what sort of cheap material did you make Building Seven out of?!'
We may never know, the 185,101 tons of structural steel was quickly recycled and any evidence that may show an alternative to the official conclusion could well be lost forever.
Was this another 'Pearl Harbour' sneak-attack? If so, certain very expensive and preventative security systems don't work and any of the electronic vigilence used, should be handed over to companies that deal with illegal car-parking.
At this point, I may mention that if one is called a Conspiracy Theorist, then surely the proof that is available should really halt your beliefs. The only down-side is that the material has gone, but I'm sure this isn't a common factor when one is researching dubious incidents that involves our Governments. Source: ..........................
A guy who's past is steeped in controversy and worrying behavior happens to get a job in a building where the leader of his country is just passing by. He shoots the leader from a high position with some remarkable skill and either a poor firearm or curtain rods and leaves the building without anyone noticing him.
He is confronted by a Police Officer in a place nowhere near the original killing and kills him too. He flees once more on foot and fails in a successful escape by not purchasing a cinema ticket. A large amount of Police arrive and capture the culpriton the ground-floor of the theatre and at the same time, on the balcony area too. Story over? No. Two days later, he is killed by a shady character during transportation to another place.
After a stringent and thorough investigation where a future-President moves one of the wounds on the dead leader so that a theory can make more sense and where the investigators are denied information with the use of destruction and suppression from Government agencies, the final result is that the guy acted alone and was crazy.
Soon after, a multitude of witnesses come forward with accounts that oppose the official findings and some of them commit suicide or are involved in accidents.
Maybe he was a lone-nut, maybe he was a disgruntled individual who wanted to be famous in a world that ignored him? I know...! let's ask him. Oh, er.... he was quickly removed from the situation. Damn it! I'm still stuck with the tag of being a Conspiracy Theorist. ..........................
The many offices of security often conjour-up ideas to hopefully out-wit their assumed enemies of the country they are PAID... I mean paid to protect.
Opening citizens mail, devising catastrophes to dupe citizens into demanding war, attempting to create drug-fogged killers and assassination of foreign leaders. Just a few schemes dreamt-up in the name of freedom.
These services, groups of well-funded people who only have the safety of those who they serve and are paid by -at heart, regulary announce that they cannot tell you what they are doing because it's best not to reveal your secrets to your enemies. Yet, even when challenged by Governement-elected bodies to produce the information, they destroy evidence first and then relate that they've done it by accident.
Now with electronic mail and interaction via websites, is this a veritable feast of private information that will be left alone because it would be deemed morally wrong?
Well, all of their sophisicated equipment and invasive functions didn't stop four large aircraft from flying over their country and then destroying renown property and nearly 3000 lives. So, I would suggest that another option may be appropriate.
But as they say, the proof is in the pudding. This particular dish has plenty of proof and once more, the only negative is that the evidence tends to surface after those who are accountable are no longer alive.
There's a pattern, me-thinks. ..........................
Secret bases in the lonely deserts... Hah, my kinda town! If we accept that the original concept of Watertown, Groom Lake, Paradise Ranch or whatever the test-pilots nicknamed it, was for testing experimental aircraft back in the fifties and flying the 'reconnaissance' high-altitude planes from a safe place, then I would offer that the reasons for the secrecy is fairly sufficient.
The evidence of past underground nuclear explosions are still visible from the air and one can only wonder how much real damage was done to the residents health of the neighbouring state, Utah.
Seriously, there's a lot of dangerous crap buried out there and if it's ever decided that the land is to be given back to the public or any owners of the mines that still exist, then the cost... well, that leads us to the next criticism of what's going on just north of Las Vegas.
What often is commented on is the huge amounts of monies that are funnelled into these 'black-op' projects and it is astounding and yet, not accountable by Government peers and the general public.
It could be argued that to counter any resentment in spending so much money on aviation-ideas that may succeed or fail, the CIA came to the conclusion that by purchasing a commodity such as cocaine, another option could be produced to fund their clandestine projects. Maybe my sarcasm is showing, but in a more positive light, Mena Airport's runway had very little weed problems because of it. Source:
It's been said that fast, glowing orbs and smooth-lined saucer-shaped craft now operate above in the Nevada skies and small, petulant aliens wander the underground hangers of the base. It is all very Bob Lazar and again, it's all shrouded with the 'Need-To-Know' clause in a country that demands free speech and a liberal, peaceful view on it's fellow -occupants of this planet.
On a more positive note, I would say that IF a traditional flying saucer is sitting in a bay out there in the desert, then with all respect to those who followed Lieutenant Colonel Corso's accounts of alien technology being introduced into general public under the guise of inventions, the silver-grey craft doesn't seem to be used for anything productive... At least, nothing that we know of. ..........................
So... one can bury one's head in the sand and say that everything that doesn't fit into the non-dialectical belief system we enjoy -are merely fanciful troll stories that are to entertain or confuse enemies and patriots alike. Or... research these tall tales and discover that things are not quite what they seem.
All I can say at the end of this pompous rant is that Angleton knew. He knew the whole deal.
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Or... research these tall tales and discover that things are not quite what they seem.
Nail. Hammer. Head.
Questioning is not an option, one must believe the official story. Doesn't that sound like religions ? And how they keep their power on the masses, through secrecy and imposed ignorance ?
Sure as heck sounds like that to me. Questioning must be an option, always. Hackers keep on proving year after year, through this wonderful medium that is the internet, that secrecy is born of an agenda to control, not to protect and that imposed ignorance is only available to the last areas of this world who cannot have access to research from that same medium.
Sleeping sheep are waking up, all over the world. Conspiracy Theorist means that I feel like I have a lack of control over my life says Dr van Poopy, I must disagree and think that it's exactly the opposite.
I live in America. Many Pharma companies here do anything to make a buck, including promoting drugs we do not need. This is not a conspiracy, it is just the way it is.
The government is there to make sure the government stays in power, it isn't a conspiracy at all, it is just the way it is. To keep most people on their side, they have given us things so we keep voting them into office. That isn't a conspiracy either, just the way it is.
There are not many laws in this country to punish people who swindle others. If they had these laws then a salesman would be charged if he sold you something you did not need or more than you need. We wouldn't have many things in our stores if they were not allowed to sell us things we do not really need. That is not a conspiracy it is just the way it is.
Our government has and will continue to put people in control of small nations. They have many tactics and will often cause hardship on the people of those countries as a result of their actions. We did this all over the world so we could get cheap products to our citizens. This is not a conspiracy, it is just the way it is.
Big business has been and will always be a controlling factor in our government. The businesses have gotten too large now though and the ones running them are not actually not usually at risk of loosing much of their own money as they used to be. They will do what is necessary to keep their company profitable, including making campaign contributions which seem sort of like bribes. This is not a conspiracy, it is the way it is.
We have been conditioned for so long that most of us do not know the real reasons for why they have created policies. The laws are made to control the people and usually do not apply for people up high in the system. This is no conspiracy, it is the way it is.
The government hiding the existance of aliens is a conspiracy, but I have not seen any believable and substantial evidence that these aliens are from another planet yet. I think there could be an advanced race of beings on this planet though, but earth would be their home. I cannot even say that this whole reality is real because it could be all an illusion. We could be in a highly advanced computer program, linked there to teach us something by a future civilization of this world. I cannot prove that wrong or right from this point in reality. We could all be witnessing a history lesson. Now this isn't a conspiracy, it is just a possibility to explain things. In the future there could be all sorts of technology to tie to our nervous system to complete this training.
You have to ask yourself, what is real and what is misconception? We may just be mushrooms with wild imaginations.
Of course there are people who benefit by us believing in what they say. Either monetarily or by prestige. You have to examine the article considering that but also remember that sometimes we do work to help society. Society seems to be just as powerful as the government and society is constantly evolving. Not all evolution is in the right direction though.
Post by theboyinadress on Oct 4, 2015 7:30:18 GMT -6
@solarius,
I want an easy life, I want to feel confident that those chosen to lead us, hold our concerns close to their hearts. I know that at times, a set of certain circumstances may well look like there's another solution or outcome, it's part of our nature to be inquisitive and it's what makes us dare to leave this planet.
People lie, obfuscate, bilk and abuse a natural trust within a society for their own ends and that usually involves money. That's sad, but it's a way of life in today's society. Governments do the same, but they usually find a nice title-plaque to place above it in the name of patriotism and country-security. Again, I see it -to some extent, allowable.
Put it another way, if anyone on this website was in a situation where their accountability depended on revealing a whole truth and in that revelation, embarrassing secrets would be shown to all and a possible vulnerability could result in harm.
Would you tell the WHOLE truth...? Wouldn't you attempt to sift your account beforehand to be able to give a sensible, consistent story that would answer the questions without giving away the possible life-threatening secrets. I believe a mature, honourable person would.
But... if you were in a situation where you screwed-up, committed a crime, wished to covet something, or gain benefits for yourself and your loved ones -And in a full confidence that you would never be held accountable for your actions, wouldn't you do exactly the same? Again, it would surely be tempting.
That's around the time a Conspiracy Theorist would step in and trawl the information for variances in the given account.
Some are merely errors involving time and location and if the researcher keeps a sensible rein on his wishes to discover 'a truth' then these mistakes can be remedied during the examination of other contributing accounts. Other doubtful areas of a story may arrive due to self-indulgent assumptions because of lack of diligence by the investigator. All rational reasons.
Now, tell me how a group of nineteen suspected people boarded four passenger airliners, took control of said planes and flew them into three well-known and symbolic structures and changed a country's world-view forever. Norad, the CIA and Box-cutters.
To this day, it's still odd how a chap with a misguided childhood and a penchant for Marxism, managed to access a Cold War adversary's country after working in a sensitive facility, be allowed to return to his own land and then -assuming the stories are true, find himself in a position where he can shoot a piece of junk off from a high building and get two shots from 265 feet into one of the most famous people in the world -who was moving at the time. And then escape!
All that he left his family with was his wedding ring (that was recently discovered in an envelope in a dead lawyer's desk!)... and $170. (Now work out his pay and weekly costs!) A low-level FBI informant...? Nah, the Warren Commission would've said so. A skinny punk, a dysfunctional rifle and the worry that Russia would be blamed.
The above statements are not just an alternative to the 'official' outcomes to the two incidents, they are really questions that were never truly answered.
Edit: By the way -and forgive my shallow innuendo, take a look at the photograph at the top of this page and tell me who's looking into who's eyes.!!
Post by theboyinadress on Oct 4, 2015 15:09:14 GMT -6
It may be difficult for those younger than 50 years of age, but this link may help you in regards of the way conspiracy theories are followed.
If you're patient enough to listen to all of the tapes, one will hopefully see a pattern on the way certain 'crimes' are utilised.
Some of it may seem completely crazy and I know some of Mae Brussell's conclusions never came came to pass, but I'm sure she was never too-far from the reality of these events. Enjoy!