Is Obama a Muslim or Roman Catholic?
Sept 20, 2015 16:20:28 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 16:20:28 GMT -6
This is more opinion than what I'll present as fact, because I just don't have the free time at the moment to support it all with what I know to be fact. What supports it is out there though, and it is all what the White House itself released, without enough fanfare for everyone today to even know they did it, in a Freedom of Information Act or FOIA response in 2010.
However...Which is he? Catholic or Muslim? Much is being made of the fact that Trump hasn't come on the record to say he is NOT a Muslim, which I think is rather foolish. In fact, it is as foolish as saying he IS. First, the man's Faith really IS his own to know as an absolute thing. It isn't for a political opponent to define for what it is NOT.
Second though...it isn't near that clear!
Obama spent several years of his younger and formative years in Jakarta, Indonesia and living with his Step-Father. Mr. Soetoro...and where he is on record to have used the name Barry Soetoro (by the way). All of this is, again, public record that they have released themselves ...just not loudly enough to be taken seriously or even seen by everyone.
Another aspect to this was his schooling though, and HERE is where the pickle gets sour for trying to figure out....what the? Who is? Huh!?
The first two years of Barry's time in the ghetto side of Jakarta, and how we can surmise his living situation to describe that way, was spent in State School. The school system Indonesia had for the lowest class, on up, for that period of time. It was also a school with connection to Islam in the same way American schools might sometimes be Christian in nature, but not quite like..say...a Temple education.
In fact, to look into it...Barry was described in 2010/2011 by people who knew him and recalled him as a child, to be a screw up and goof off, and one who didn't take his Quranic studies very seriously.
The SECOND two years of Barry's time, I believe we see where Step-Dad moved up in the world, or had some change of fortune. Barry goes to Catholic school, and he attended the Catholic side of religious life for the second half of his Indonesian years. Catholic school in the developing world (especially 1960's/1970's 3rd world) sure wasn't an afterthought for Faith as a part of life. There again though, I recall the record as showing from interviews of those who knew him there? He wasn't one to do especially well or take it overly serious.
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So which is he? A Muslim for having been to Madrasa for 2 years ....or a Catholic for having been to a Private Roman Catholic School MORE recently? I know what Islam would think of that, and the boy was too young to properly be engaged in Taqiya, or the practice by which he could have been Muslim to then pass in a Catholic indoctrination without conflict to his first loyalty.
No...The boy people describe wasn't some covert and brilliant operator in youth...but a screw up and goof off. I think it far more likely he took the learning curve of a Con Man, to pass in many crowds, and among many types of people with equal comfort and acceptance.
In my view...Obama is neither Muslim nor Catholic (or Christian, for that matter). He's a Chameleon by natural choice and professional development as he came old enough to choose the path in life.
What does everyone else think?
However...Which is he? Catholic or Muslim? Much is being made of the fact that Trump hasn't come on the record to say he is NOT a Muslim, which I think is rather foolish. In fact, it is as foolish as saying he IS. First, the man's Faith really IS his own to know as an absolute thing. It isn't for a political opponent to define for what it is NOT.
Second though...it isn't near that clear!
Obama spent several years of his younger and formative years in Jakarta, Indonesia and living with his Step-Father. Mr. Soetoro...and where he is on record to have used the name Barry Soetoro (by the way). All of this is, again, public record that they have released themselves ...just not loudly enough to be taken seriously or even seen by everyone.
Another aspect to this was his schooling though, and HERE is where the pickle gets sour for trying to figure out....what the? Who is? Huh!?
The first two years of Barry's time in the ghetto side of Jakarta, and how we can surmise his living situation to describe that way, was spent in State School. The school system Indonesia had for the lowest class, on up, for that period of time. It was also a school with connection to Islam in the same way American schools might sometimes be Christian in nature, but not quite like..say...a Temple education.
In fact, to look into it...Barry was described in 2010/2011 by people who knew him and recalled him as a child, to be a screw up and goof off, and one who didn't take his Quranic studies very seriously.
The SECOND two years of Barry's time, I believe we see where Step-Dad moved up in the world, or had some change of fortune. Barry goes to Catholic school, and he attended the Catholic side of religious life for the second half of his Indonesian years. Catholic school in the developing world (especially 1960's/1970's 3rd world) sure wasn't an afterthought for Faith as a part of life. There again though, I recall the record as showing from interviews of those who knew him there? He wasn't one to do especially well or take it overly serious.
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So which is he? A Muslim for having been to Madrasa for 2 years ....or a Catholic for having been to a Private Roman Catholic School MORE recently? I know what Islam would think of that, and the boy was too young to properly be engaged in Taqiya, or the practice by which he could have been Muslim to then pass in a Catholic indoctrination without conflict to his first loyalty.
No...The boy people describe wasn't some covert and brilliant operator in youth...but a screw up and goof off. I think it far more likely he took the learning curve of a Con Man, to pass in many crowds, and among many types of people with equal comfort and acceptance.
In my view...Obama is neither Muslim nor Catholic (or Christian, for that matter). He's a Chameleon by natural choice and professional development as he came old enough to choose the path in life.
What does everyone else think?
