@ninurta, It will take me a few moments to put together my response... stay tuned.
You might want to re-read it. After I booted Linux up, I re-read it for errors, and found a place or two where I said something other than what I meant, and those had to be changed. They sounded not just wrong, but MEANLY wrong, and weren't addressing what I meant to, anyhow - they pointed in the wrong direction, all because of my piss-poor phrasing. I also found a boat-load of spelling errors (that's just me and my spelling problems, y'know?) and added a few things hoping for a bit more clarity.
I think by now I'm done editing it.
ETA: No, seriously - I really AM done editing it now! I think I need more coffee...
I'm going to read the post now, but a reply will have to wait until tomorrow, because I need to get my slack butt in bed and start readjusting my schedule to be ready for the new job in a couple of weeks.
Translation: I gotta read it now, then ruminate on it for a few hours to deliver a proper response.
maybe tomorrow I won't be editing my posts for an hour and a half before I'm happy with them!
Now you are claiming that was your point? How is anyone supposed to derive that conclusion from your previous post?
my apologies - sometimes I guess I don't explain myself very well, and expect others to just understand things they may not. Here you go - a quote and translation:
@ninurta said:
"I could find no mechanism that would allow her to maintain those stunning good looks in a sulfuric acid atmosphere under 90 Earth atmospheres pressure and a temperature that is hot enough to melt lead, therefore I had to dismiss the report."
Translation: "Shit that CAN'T happen DON'T happen - this whole story was a lie."
I'm sorry - I should have been plainer the first time around. I have been told "the snark is strong in this one" and that I am sometimes too "dry" like the British - whatever that means.
So, he was a hoaxer, I get that. That doesn't have anything to do with my OP. You are allowing one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch.
It may have direct bearing on the OP - that document purports to come from the era of Adamski, and in fact sounds an AWFUL LOT LIKE Adamski. I'm not saying that he or any of the several dozen other "contactee" hoaxers of the day wrote it, but that it has all the hallmarks and internal tells of a hoax. Using demonstrated hoaxer Adamski's story is a way of pointing out and confirming the hoax nature of the document.
No, by telepathic I mean, communication between minds by some means other than sensory perception.
Adamski's story is that he actually met this creature, face to face.
If you already knew about Zeta Reticuli why did you state the below post previously? Above, you say you know all about it.
The reports of "grays" start and end for me with the common assertion that they are from Zeta Reticuli, and have said so themselves as reported by several "contactees". That is something I investigated for myself while studying Astronomy - it's actually the reason I studied Astronomy, to ferret out that very thing. It was proven false to my total satisfaction - and extreme disappointment.
1) I did not say I know ALL about it - that would be an unsupportable claim, since no one knows how much there is to know about anything, so reaching knowledge saturation is unverifiable. I DO know an awful lot about it, and almost certainly more than the average bear - they (average bears) make up for that by knowing more than me about how to use cell phones.
2) Showing that the Fish contention (that the Hill star map shows Zeta Reticuli) is a false assertion, is a separate issue from knowing anything about Zeta Reticuli itself. All one needs to know to demostrate the former is the positions of surrounding stars, which are known to a great degree and documented (or where to get software with accurate positions to plot, if they don't want to have to code out a DIY solution). In other words, you do not have to know ANYTHING at all about ZetRet other than it's position relative to other nearby stars to know that those stories of grays coming from ZetRet are absolute BS.
I said, See above post!
@ninurta, said, "Ditto".
( Sorry, I had to take a break and laugh.)
They say "laughter is the best medicine" - or at least I read something like that in Reader's Digest.
Well, yes, the body does vibrate, but when I say "energy", I guess you could call it our "soul", for simpler understanding. Our soul/spirit is what is raised up to higher levels. This is when most people have an OBE, the spirit leaving the body (out of body experience).
So this "awakening" is to be indistinguishable from actual real physical death? The soul goes... elsewhere... and the lifeless, soulless body gets left behind? That's pretty convenient as a training aid, isn't it? You can then point to ANY dead body, anywhere, at any time, and say "Oh! Look! That one done 'elevated his vibratory level'! "
However, if one achieves maximum Kundalini over a long period, their body can also vibrate at a frequency that will cause them to disappear. Don't ask me to explain this; I'm not a Guru.
Wikipedia: "Kundalini (Sanskrit kuṇḍalinī, कुण्डलिनी, About this sound pronunciation (help·info), "coiled one"), in yogic theory, is a primal energy, or shakti, located at the base of the spine. Different spiritual traditions teach methods of "awakening" kundalini for the purpose of reaching spiritual enlightenment.[1] The Yoga Upanishads describe Kundalini as lying "coiled" at the base of the spine, represented as either a goddess or sleeping serpent waiting to be awakened. In modern commentaries, Kundalini has been called an unconscious, instinctive or libidinal force, [2][3][4] or "mother energy or intelligence of complete maturation".[5]
Kundalini awakening is said to result in deep meditation, enlightenment and bliss.[6] This awakening involves the Kundalini physically moving up the central channel to reach within the Sahasrara Chakra at the top of the head. Many systems of yoga focus on the awakening of Kundalini through meditation, pranayama breathing, the practice of asana and chanting of mantras.[6] In physical terms, one commonly reports the Kundalini experience to be a feeling of electric current running along the spine.[7][8][9]"
Ok, this is gonna be touchy, being that we ain't "knocking" each other's religion for the moment. I will put this as delicately and sensitively as I possibly can.
I don't have any shaktis or kundalinis or chakras or Upanishads or pranayamas or asanas or mantras or anything else unpronounceable. Those are installed by foreign gods or spirits, anchored and tied to foreign earth (because that foreign earth is where they get their power from). I am not a "dot" Indian, have never even been to "dot" India, and have no ancestors from there - there is no link or even potential for those East Indian spirits to have installed East Indian stuff into me. I am not theirs, and they are not mine, so there is no possibility for them to have given me these East Indian things that you may have.
They have no power over me here, nor any relation to me - they can neither help nor hurt me. They can affect me not at all. All of their power is tied to their land and connections with their adherents. The Ancients were well aware of this, and Moderns seem to have forgotten it entirely. That is why there are so many references to "spirits of this place" or "gods of that land" or "gods of his fathers" or "gods of her mothers" or "gods of their ancestors" or "foreign gods" in ancient texts. Why people have forgotten that, with all the constant reminders, I will never figure out. That's also one of the reasons I have no fear of this "Allah" cat every is so scared of - he's got no power HERE at all... he's tied to a patch of sand and rock just east of the Red Sea in the Arabian desert (with a cave in it), with no danger to me at all.
The same goes for Arab "djinn", which I had a hard time explaining to Grace as well, back when she was a Muslim. She believed that "djinn" accounted for every bad thing that happens anywhere, and I had a hard time explaining that Arab desert spirits have no power in this jungle exploding with life - other life forces much stronger here than "djinn" hold sway in this environment.
If I had HAD any of those unpronounceable bits installed into me, there is no doubt that one or more of the local spirits would have informed me that I have such a useful commodity available - or at least they would have informed one of my forebears so that it could be passed down. They probably would have themselves given us a pronounceable local name for it, and instruction on how to use it as well.
I just don't have that, and never will. There is no connection to permit installation.
Sorry you don't understand the fan technique I used. All I can do is tell you to go get a fan, turn it on high, and notice how when it spins at that speed you can see through it, but at the lower speed, you can't. This is similar to how our body would disappear if we vibrated at a high enough frequency. Again, I'm not a quantum physicists, so I don't know how to explain it, I just know it works.
Fair enough. You can see how many RPMs you can spin up, and I will find other means that work for me. Try not to get too dizzy with the centripedal forces flinging all the blood to your outer reaches during the spins. I used to do that as a kid - and it WAS fun!
@ninurta said,
Clarification might help - which would involve proper use of terminology and some degree of precision... qualities both distinctly lacking in New Age conferences.
Okay. I'll be back with further communication after I finish my Masters in Quantum Physics.
DON'T DO THAT! An education in Quantum Physics will muck up your beliefs altogether, and cause you to lose your faith, replacing it with another! It will show you the impossibility of it! As the Christians' Bible points out, "when knowledge comes, faith leaves" - there is no longer any room for it.
I said, "There is no such thing as time. Time is only an illusion for us Earthlings to distinguish the progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future."
@ninurta said:
That's a tough one - there is, and there isn't. Time is a label humans put on a dimension that they perceive in a linear fashion, like length, width, and height - those are all "dimensions". Without that definition for time, motion would not occur. You could not stand up from your chair, because that involves motion in all 4 dimensions. There would be no "speed of light" at all, light could not move, because motion is distance over time. Humans are incredibly linear in their perceptions, which is why they perceive things the way they do, in only the 4 dimensions that can be perceived as linear.
With that said, I believe "time" is not at all as humans perceive it - it is not linear. Everything that ever was or ever will be IS, right now, but we cannot see that because of our linear perceptions in combination with our 4D spacial position at any given instant. I don't believe time extends only "forward" or "backward" (to use the labels humans have put on it in order to try explaining their perception of it), but in "all directions". The way we see it can be compared to a worm boring though a stack of paper. He only sees each sheet (for humans each "instant") as it appears, from his perspective, and does not realize that ALL of the sheets still exist (for humans "all instants" still exist), all of the ones he will ever bore through already exist (I hope you know thee drill as it applies to the human analogy by now), and they exist far more expansively than the little hole he's boring through them
Whatever you say, Sir.
Sorry I didn't explain it better - Grace has just pointed out to me how confusing I can get, but I don't know any simpler way to explain such a complicated concept. To add to it, we do not pass through Time - Time passes through US. That is where the "worm boring through a stack of paper" analogy breaks down.
Putting it on paper is one thing, actually experiencing it is another. It cannot be explained in words. When my second husband died, his spirit possessed my body for about three weeks. I was experiencing how it felt on "the other side". There was no such thing as time. It was weird, and that's all I'll say about that now. I've told about it in another thread.
My condolences. My second wife died a few years ago as well - as a matter of fact, we just passed the anniversary of her death, which was also her birthday, which makes it a bit more convenient to remember, but a little tougher as well. She was 55 years old to the very day, almost the very hour. She still comes to visit occasionally (I dunno why - the woman tried her damndest to make my life a living hell while she was still alive), but has never ever tried to "possess" me - I doubt she could stand that, to be honest, and she probably realizes that now.
Another way of looking at your experience may be not that time "doesn't exist", but that you had a different, more encompassing experience of it. Not that "time wasn't there" but that you could see MORE of it, shattering your mortal human (i.e. "linear") perceptions of time irrevocably. When you lose the perception of "moving through time" in a linear, one-way motion, you see that all there is is "now", and an infinite "now" in all directions. That would logically have the effect of no longer seeing "time" as everyone else still perceives it.
I can't say for sure - it was YOUR experience, not mine - so take that explanation or leave it. It's only ONE other possible explanation, and only YOU can evaluate it against your experience.
Here is that video you requested, wanting to see a UFO shoot down a nuclear missile, that you didn't believe to exist.
Ok, I finally got to watch it, several times. At first I thought "gee, that looks just like 1950's B-movie 'special effects!' " - but then I noticed the blurb at the bottom that said "animated simulation", and that explained that. At least they're not trying to pass that off as real video of the event.
As for the man's story, I cannot assess it either way. I have no time frame (inside the story) to compare it against. US (and Soviet) above ground testing ended in 1963, so if it was after that, there was no nuclear warhead to blow up. If there had been, all of the Big Boys would have been screaming to high heaven about the US treaty violation just as soon as they detected the radiation that would have to have been released. Surely aliens with advanced technology would have been able to detect that there was no nuke before making fools of themselves blowing up an inert toy and then running back to hide again - IF it was post-1963.
I did download the books, and will read them, but I mostly downloaded them to keep them in a reference file I have on stuff like that.
@ninurta said:
Yeah. Law of One. Here's my "Law of One": I already have ONE religion, and don't need another. I bumped up against the law of One a couple times while researching the hoaxers Judy Faltskog and Wayne Herschel. You can have my share of the Law of One.
Don't knock my beliefs, and I won't knock yours. DEAL?
Fair enough, although to continue the fairness, I DID say that you could have my share of the "Law of One", which I would think you would be happy with. You get a double-dose!
For the record, you may knock MY beliefs all you like - they often make fun of themselves, so there's not much you can add to that. My take is that if you can make me question them, then I probably SHOULD - a re-examination of them is in order at that point. So far, no one has been able to shake them. Maybe you can be the first! Have at it, as you like.
They are scared of no one. If they wanted to blow up the planet and destroy the human race they could have done it long ago.
Then why do they run and hide all the time?
And, yes, you are the dangerous one because you would grab your garden hoe and run to beat them over the head if they paid you a visit before even finding out if they were violent. You are the violent one.
They can destroy planets and entire civilizations, yet live in mortal fear of my garden hoe?
I thought I made it clear (as in I actually came right out and said it plainly) that I would run if given the chance. If they are not threatening me with death and preventing my escape, they have nothing to fear from my garden hoe. Trying to kill folks and hemming them in from escape to get that killing done is not considered a particularly peaceful trait in this civilization (it's referred to as "shooting fish in a barrel", which must be terribly distressing to the fish)... but maybe aliens see it differently. Maybe they think X-ing us out for sport is some kind of peaceful birthright or something.
Then again, if they can do all that and think that way, why are we still here at all?
Note: I'm done editing now. This notice is the last edit. Anything else will only be spelling and typo corrections, nothing of substance.
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Well, yes, the body does vibrate, but when I say "energy", I guess you could call it our "soul", for simpler understanding. Our soul/spirit is what is raised up to higher levels. This is when most people have an OBE, the spirit leaving the body (out of body experience).
So this "awakening" is to be indistinguishable from actual real physical death? The soul goes... elsewhere... and the lifeless, soulless body gets left behind? That's pretty convenient as a training aid, isn't it? You can then point to ANY dead body, anywhere, at any time, and say "Oh! Look! That one done 'elevated his vibratory level'! "
the addition is that the logical inversion of that concept is that "elevating your vibration" will kill you dead, just following those exact same guidelines.
Post by Mystic Wanderer on Jun 27, 2015 14:04:55 GMT -6
@ninurta,
ninurta said:
"I could find no mechanism that would allow her to maintain those stunning good looks in a sulfuric acid atmosphere under 90 Earth atmospheres pressure and a temperature that is hot enough to melt lead, therefore I had to dismiss the report."
Translation: "Shit that CAN'T happen DON'T happen - this whole story was a lie."
That is because ETs aren't made up of the same biological components as earthly humans. Each entity is made to sustain life based on the type of planet/star they live on. The Reptilians may have been on Earth from the beginning, but they went underground to survive the last major earth catastrophe. Maybe they need the sulfur and other gases down there to survive, so they stay there.
I'm sorry - I should have been plainer the first time around. I have been told "the snark is strong in this one" and that I am sometimes too "dry" like the British - whatever that means.
That is correct.
So, he was a hoaxer, I get that. That doesn't have anything to do with my OP. You are allowing one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch.
It may have direct bearing on the OP - that document purports to come from the era of Adamski, and in fact sounds an AWFUL LOT LIKE Adamski. I'm not saying that he or any of the several dozen other "contactee" hoaxers of the day wrote it, but that it has all the hallmarks and internal tells of a hoax. Using demonstrated hoaxer Adamski's story is a way of pointing out and confirming the hoax nature of the document.
There wasn't just one document, there were pages and pages and more pages! That's why I said, if someone "doctored" all of them to create a hoax, they sure went to a LOT of trouble! There have been more released documents other than these in my OP that say basically the same thing. I don't have them available right now to post, and it wouldn't matter; you would still say they were a hoax.
No, by telepathic I mean, communication between minds by some means other than sensory perception.
Adamski's story is that he actually met this creature, face to face.
I'll have to read that; I don't know his full story.
In other words, you do not have to know ANYTHING at all about ZetRet other than it's position relative to other nearby stars to know that those stories of grays coming from ZetRet are absolute BS.
I'm sorry, but I still don't understand how you can say it's BS when its existence has been confirmed on astronomy maps?
Well, yes, the body does vibrate, but when I say "energy", I guess you could call it our "soul", for simpler understanding. Our soul/spirit is what is raised up to higher levels. This is when most people have an OBE, the spirit leaving the body (out of body experience).
So this "awakening" is to be indistinguishable from actual real physical death? The soul goes... elsewhere... and the lifeless, soulless body gets left behind? That's pretty convenient as a training aid, isn't it? You can then point to ANY dead body, anywhere, at any time, and say "Oh! Look! That one done 'elevated his vibratory level'! "
Surely, you are kidding, right? Someone with your knowledge has to know about OBEs, so I'm not even going there!
I don't have any shaktis or kundalinis or chakras or Upanishads or pranayamas or asanas or mantras or anything else unpronounceable. Those are installed by foreign gods or spirits, anchored and tied to foreign earth (because that foreign earth is where they get their power from). I am not a "dot" Indian, have never even been to "dot" India, and have no ancestors from there - there is no link or even potential for those East Indian spirits to have installed East Indian stuff into me. I am not theirs, and they are not mine, so there is no possibility for them to have given me these East Indian things that you may have.
They have no power over me here, nor any relation to me - they can neither help nor hurt me. They can affect me not at all. All of their power is tied to their land and connections with their adherents. The Ancients were well aware of this, and Moderns seem to have forgotten it entirely. That is why there are so many references to "spirits of this place" or "gods of that land" or "gods of his fathers" or "gods of her mother" or "gods of their ancestors" or "foreign gods" in ancient texts. Why people have forgotten that, with all the constant reminders, I will never figure out. That's also one of the reasons I have no fear of this "Allah" cat every is so scared of - he's got no power HERE at all... he's tied to a patch of sand and rock just east of the red sea in the Arabian desert (with a cave in it), with no danger to me at all.
The same goes for Arab "djinn", which I had a hard time explaining to Grace as well, back when she was a Muslim. She believed that "djinn" accounted for every bad thing that happens anywhere, and I had a hard time explaining that Arab desert spirits have no power in this jungle exploding with life - other life forces much stronger here than "djinn" hold sway in this environment.
If I had HAD any of those unpronounceable bits installed into me, there is no doubt that one or more of the local spirits would have informed me that I have such a useful commodity available - or at least they would have informed one of my forebears so that it could be passed down. They probably would have themselves given us a pronounceable local name for it, and instruction on how to use it as well.
I just don't have that, and never will. There is no connection to permit installation.
I can't express how sorry I am to hear this! The fact that you don't even realize you have this within you means that you will be reincarnating many, many more times before you "awaken".
Sorry you don't understand the fan technique I used. All I can do is tell you to go get a fan, turn it on high, and notice how when it spins at that speed you can see through it, but at the lower speed, you can't. This is similar to how our body would disappear if we vibrated at a high enough frequency. Again, I'm not a quantum physicists, so I don't know how to explain it, I just know it works.
Fair enough. You can see how many RPMs you can spin up, and I will find other means that work for me. Try not to get too dizzy with the centripedal forces flinging all the blood to your outer reaches during the spins. I used to do that as a kid - and it WAS fun!
Sigh...
Okay. I'll be back with further communication after I finish my Masters in Quantum Physics.
DON'T DO THAT! An education in Quantum Physics will muck up your beliefs altogether, and cause you to lose your faith, replacing it with another! It will show you the impossibility of it! As the Christians' Bible points out, "when knowledge comes, faith leaves" - there is no longer any room for it.
Too late. I've already been delving into it. It makes a lot of sense, based on some of my past paranormal experiences.
(Video was inserted here)
Ok, I finally got to watch it, several times. At first I thought "gee, that looks just like 1950's B-movie 'special effects!' " - but then I noticed the blurb at the bottom that said "animated simulation", and that explained that. At least they're not trying to pass that off as real video of the event.
As for the man's story, I cannot assess it either way. I have no time frame (inside the story) to compare it against. US (and Soviet) above ground testing ended in 1963, so if it was after that, there was no nuclear warhead to blow up. If there had been, all of the Big Boys would have been screaming to high heaven about the US treaty violation just as soon as they detected the radiation that would have to have been released. Surely aliens with advanced technology would have been able to detect that there was no nuke before making fools of themselves blowing up an inert toy and then running back to hide again - IF it was post-1963.
I did download the books, and will read them, but I mostly downloaded them to keep them in a file I have on stuff like that.
Well, of course it was an animated simulation. They wouldn't have been standing there with a camera waiting on a UFO to fly up and disarm their missile during the test, now would they? There are more stories about the UFOs flying over military posts and disarming the entire bunker full of nuke missiles. These are some more of the declassified reports that have come to light.
Don't knock my beliefs, and I won't knock yours. DEAL?
Fair enough, although to continue the fairness, I DID say that you could have my share of the "Law of One", which I would think you would be happy with. You get a double-dose!
For the record, you may knock MY beliefs all you like - they often make fun of themselves, so there's not much you can add to that. My take is that if you can make me question them, then I probably SHOULD - a re-examination of them is in order at that point. So far, no one has been able to shake them. Maybe you can be the first! Have at it, as you like.
They are scared of no one. If they wanted to blow up the planet and destroy the human race they could have done it long ago.
Then why do they run and hide all the time?
They don't run and hide; they are under laws that govern the universe that they cannot "mess with us" in a fashion that would destroy our freewill. Freewill is one of the unique abilities we as humans have on Earth. Earth is the planet chosen for spirits/entities/beings to come to (incarnating into a human body) when we want to learn certain lessons that require freewill in order to learn those lessons.
And, yes, you are the dangerous one because you would grab your garden hoe and run to beat them over the head if they paid you a visit before even finding out if they were violent. You are the violent one.
They can destroy planets and entire civilizations, yet live in mortal fear of my garden hoe?
I thought I made it clear (as in I actually came right out and said it plainly) that I would run if given the chance. If they are not threatening me with death and preventing my escape, they have nothing to fear from my garden hoe. Trying to kill folks and hemming them in from escape to get that killing done is not considered a particularly peaceful trait in this civilization (it's referred to as "shooting fish in a barrel", which must be terribly distressing to the fish)... but maybe aliens see it differently. Maybe they think X-ing us out for sport is some kind of peaceful birthright or something.
Then again, if they can do all that and think that way, why are we still here at all?
They fear not your garden hoe.
Running would only be necessary when encountering a Reptilian. They are the ones behind all the negative that affects the human race. The ones coming in from the outer limits are trying to help us. Well, maybe not all of them. Some come to take water for fuel, or mine for other resources. They won't bother us, if we don't bother them.
So this "awakening" is to be indistinguishable from actual real physical death? The soul goes... elsewhere... and the lifeless, soulless body gets left behind? That's pretty convenient as a training aid, isn't it? You can then point to ANY dead body, anywhere, at any time, and say "Oh! Look! That one done 'elevated his vibratory level'! "
the addition is that the logical inversion of that concept is that "elevating your vibration" will kill you dead, just following those exact same guidelines.
Good Grief!! Sigh... Go study about meditation and you'll learn what I'm talking about. I don't have time to post it all.
"I could find no mechanism that would allow her to maintain those stunning good looks in a sulfuric acid atmosphere under 90 Earth atmospheres pressure and a temperature that is hot enough to melt lead, therefore I had to dismiss the report."
Translation: "Shit that CAN'T happen DON'T happen - this whole story was a lie."
That is because ETs aren't made up of the same biological components as earthly humans. Each entity is made to sustain life based on the type of planet/star they live on. The Reptilians may have been on Earth from the beginning, but they went underground to survive the last major earth catastrophe. Maybe they need the sulfur and other gases down there to survive, so they stay there.
But then they couldn't survive HERE, so "meetings in the desert" in OUR conditions would kill them dead, and are thus impossible.
It may have direct bearing on the OP - that document purports to come from the era of Adamski, and in fact sounds an AWFUL LOT LIKE Adamski. I'm not saying that he or any of the several dozen other "contactee" hoaxers of the day wrote it, but that it has all the hallmarks and internal tells of a hoax. Using demonstrated hoaxer Adamski's story is a way of pointing out and confirming the hoax nature of the document.
There wasn't just one document, there were pages and pages and more pages! That's why I said, if someone "doctored" all of them to create a hoax, they sure went to a LOT of trouble! There have been more released documents other than these in my OP that say basically the same thing. I don't have them available right now to post, and it wouldn't matter; you would still say they were a hoax.
I have them, although I have not yet read all of them. The one shown in the OP was a hoax, which the FBI dutifully filed because it was reported to them, so they had to file a report. Governments do that sort of thing, typically in triplicate, which they then bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate. It's just what bureaucracies and bureaucrats do.
Most of the others I've seen are similar, although perhaps not hoaxes - they are reports taken and filed by the FBI. So far, I have found nothing originated by the FBI, much less anything constituting an FBI admission of aliens among us. I'm still looking, though.
In other words, you do not have to know ANYTHING at all about ZetRet other than it's position relative to other nearby stars to know that those stories of grays coming from ZetRet are absolute BS.
I'm sorry, but I still don't understand how you can say it's BS when its existence has been confirmed on astronomy maps?
Because I'm the guy who MADE some of those astronomy maps. The one you post here is Marjorie Fish's "interpretation" of the original Betty Hill map. There are several problems with it. One is that those stars are not actually in those positions. Fish was using obsolete data even when she made her models. Another problem is that her map does not match Hill's map, at all. If you take those lines away (which are there only to "lead the witness"), then ALL resemblance falls apart, even using Fish's wrong map from the obsolete data. Another problem is Fish's misinterpretation of the objects shown on Hill's map. For example, the two "main" objects which Fish identifies as "zeta1 and zeta2 reticuli" are not stars at all on the original - they are solid bodies, either a double planet or a planet-moon system. The biggest, brightest (and therefore probably closest) star on the original Hill map (almost dead center of the map) is omitted from Fish's map altogether - probably because it spoils entirely her neat little illusion. How can it be valid if the main star is omitted?
I actually spoke with Stanton Friedman about this, and he feigned ignorance as well, and claimed he could not see the obvious crescent phase present on the two biggest bodies (which Hill herself said were biggest because they are closest) on the Hill original. I'm guessing that was because he was promoting one of his books at the time, and it called into very serious question his "findings" which were nothing of the kind - they were merely repackaging of the entrenched tale of Zeta Reticuli. It DID bring the conversation to an abrupt end, however, before too many people heard it and started questioning his book as well.
So you see, you ARE at least in good company with that belief!
I've released information in a couple of places now where people can go to take a look and confirm for themselves a more likely viewpoint for that map, but so far no takers. Maybe the release points were just too obscure, which is just as well. I don't want to be "that guy" - the one they refer back to when every crackpot coming down the pike says "them little gray fellers done TOLD me they are form such and such a star!" and then point at my research to "confirm" a story that they originally got from... my research, instead of any aliens. that is exactly where Marjorie Fish's research stands at this point. People are using faulty conclusions to "prove" the truth of a lie. I kinda like that, though - it means I can automatically disregard any stories that start with "well, the Reticulans...". since it starts with BS, the rest is BS built up on BS.
I may have to make a thread on the Hill Star Map, and include my scans of the original in it for comparison. That could certainly get lively, couldn't it?
So this "awakening" is to be indistinguishable from actual real physical death? The soul goes... elsewhere... and the lifeless, soulless body gets left behind? That's pretty convenient as a training aid, isn't it? You can then point to ANY dead body, anywhere, at any time, and say "Oh! Look! That one done 'elevated his vibratory level'! "
Surely, you are kidding, right? Someone with your knowledge has to know about OBEs, so I'm not even going there!
yes, I know about OBE's. I have HAD OBE's. They did not involve in any way any changes in vibration.
I can't express how sorry I am to hear this! The fact that you don't even realize you have this within you means that you will be reincarnating many, many more times before you "awaken".
It's not that I am unaware of having these - it's that I DON'T have them, just as I explained. I will not be reincarnating at all. "We" (not you - I can't speak for you) don't do that, which is good news for you, since MY reincarnation won't be able to aggravate YOUR reincarnation!
Fair enough. You can see how many RPMs you can spin up, and I will find other means that work for me. Try not to get too dizzy with the centripedal forces flinging all the blood to your outer reaches during the spins. I used to do that as a kid - and it WAS fun!
Sigh...
If it helps any, "we" can do these things too, but not through any vibratory stuff. To become invisible, we match tuning WITH our surroundings, rather than untune ourselves from the entire universe by "raising vibrations". No lie, I have done that when I was younger, and it tends to scare the crap out of anyone around you. I've not done it in years, though, and don't know if I'm still able or not. Maybe an experiment for another day. FWIW, there was no puff of smoke or flash of flame involved - that would tend to ruin the whole disappearing act, anyhow, by leaving trace evidence behind.
DON'T DO THAT! An education in Quantum Physics will muck up your beliefs altogether, and cause you to lose your faith, replacing it with another! It will show you the impossibility of it! As the Christians' Bible points out, "when knowledge comes, faith leaves" - there is no longer any room for it.
Too late. I've already been delving into it. It makes a lot of sense, based on some of my past paranormal experiences.
Paranormally, yes, it has a lot to offer - but vibrationally, it kills the whole deal. The problem here is trying to match known normal physical phenomena with paranormal non-physical phenomena, and then force a fit which is not there.
Well, of course it was an animated simulation. They wouldn't have been standing there with a camera waiting on a UFO to fly up and disarm their missile during the test, now would they?
They film the tests whether UFOs zap the missile or not - otherwise, the base film would have not been there to base a simulation on. if they are filming anyhow, and a UFO pops in to drop their rocket, it ought to be on the film.
There are more stories about the UFOs flying over military posts and disarming the entire bunker full of nuke missiles. These are some more of the declassified reports that have come to light.
You'll just have to trust me when I say I'm not contending that, and I have no doubt such reports exist. That's not the same as blowing them up in flight and scattering all that radioactive material all over the place.
Then why do they run and hide all the time?
They don't run and hide; they are under laws that govern the universe that they cannot "mess with us" in a fashion that would destroy our freewill. Freewill is one of the unique abilities we as humans have on Earth. Earth is the planet chosen for spirits/entities/beings to come to (incarnating into a human body) when we want to learn certain lessons that require freewill in order to learn those lessons.
Aside from the obvious blurring of lines between religion and alien tech, that also logically means there will NEVER be any "disclosure". "Laws of the universe" cannot be broken - the universe would implode and we would all cease to exist.
They fear not your garden hoe.
Running would only be necessary when encountering a Reptilian. They are the ones behind all the negative that affects the human race. The ones coming in from the outer limits are trying to help us. Well, maybe not all of them. Some come to take water for fuel, or mine for other resources. They won't bother us, if we don't bother them.
Please allow me to figure out for myself what I will and will not run from, if given the chance to run - a little guy trying to blow up my missile is something I would run from - probably screaming like a little girl. I most likely would shed the dead weight of a garden hoe, and leave that laying where I dropped it. They can blow that up if they're of a mind to blow something up.
Are you done now? This is very time-consuming.
I reckon I'm done - at least for the moment. Are you saying this wasn't fun?
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I like ties. I used to wear one of those wide-ended ones with a big knot. It didn't vibrate, but I used to get into a nightclub called 'Dimensions' for half-price. Hope this helps.
OK, one litle addition that it would not be fair to put into the other post, since I'm "done editing" it:
the addition is that the logical inversion of that concept is that "elevating your vibration" will kill you dead, just following those exact same guidelines.
Good Grief!! Sigh... Go study about meditation and you'll learn what I'm talking about. I don't have time to post it all.
Meditation is a psychic phenomena, and changing frequencies is a physical one - never the twain shall meet. My spirits never gave us any meditation techniques that would set us on fire - that's from East India, from East Indian spirits. "We" meditate to blend to the world, become One with it. it does not change "our" frequencies - but it can sure make us hard to find!
Post by Mystic Wanderer on Jun 27, 2015 16:02:36 GMT -6
@ninurta, I'll have to get back to you later tonight. I have laundry and chores to tend to now.
Yes, it was fun ny. It takes a lot of time just preparing the post to answer, and finding information to back up what I say... only to have it dismissed.
Your reply about the map was enlightening. I'll have to look further at that.
I am really enjoying the exchange between you two! Besides , I get to look at both sides of the coin. So far, near as I can tell, it's a tie.
Mystic is not at all wrong in the results - only the mechanisms. What she says is possible IS possible, but she has been educated with faulty mechanisms to accomplish those things, stemming from misinterpretations by Eastern religions. Those faulty mechanisms have now been incorporated into an entire mythos of NON eastern religion in the west (the "New Age Movement" arising out of the 1960's) masquerading as eastern religion, but including all manner of other, unrelated stuff to cloud the issues, and "keep the people down". Part of that is the attempt to include physics in non-physical phenomena, the "vibrations" or "frequencies" thing. Another part is the attempt to integrate American Indian religious practice with Eastern Indian religious practice when the two are absolutely incompatible - they have different spirits, and FAR different methods. They cannot BE logically integrated, but that does not keep charlatans from trying to do so and misleading the folks they are "teaching".
In short, she is absolutely right in the big picture, but the details of the roadmap to get there is misleading.
It's enough to make one want to eat a bunch of crystals and see how THAT vibrates! Can I get a drum circle for that?
I like ties. I used to wear one of those wide-ended ones with a big knot. It didn't vibrate, but I used to get into a nightclub called 'Dimensions' for half-price. Hope this helps.
Oddly, I used to work at a "club" called "Lost Dimensions", as a DJ. Not only did I get in for free, but they PAID me to go in! And there were nekkid wimmen dancing all over the place! Talk about vibrations! And I did it all without ever even ONCE having to put on a tie to get in!
Ain't America a great place? The land of Opportunity!
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I am really enjoying the exchange between you two! Besides , I get to look at both sides of the coin. So far, near as I can tell, it's a tie.
Mystic is not at all wrong in the results - only the mechanisms. What she says is possible IS possible, but she has been educated with faulty mechanisms to accomplish those things, stemming from misinterpretations by Eastern religions. Those faulty mechanisms have now been incorporated into an entire mythos of NON eastern religion in the west (the "New Age Movement" arising out of the 1960's) masquerading as eastern religion, but including all manner of other, unrelated stuff to cloud the issues, and "keep the people down". Part of that is the attempt to include physics in non-physical phenomena, the "vibrations" or "frequencies" thing. Another part is the attempt to integrate American Indian religious practice with Eastern Indian religious practice when the two are absolutely incompatible - they have different spirits, and FAR different methods. They cannot BE logically integrated, but that does not keep charlatans from trying to do so and misleading the folks they are "teaching".
In short, she is absolutely right in the big picture, but the details of the roadmap to get there is misleading.
It's enough to make one want to eat a bunch of crystals and see how THAT vibrates! Can I get a drum circle for that?
@ninurta, Okay, so I use the wrong words to try to get my point across. Please forgive me. You are obviously much more intelligent than me when it comes to your choice of words, I admit it. I think I'm done. I guess that makes you the winner.
I have a headache now. (Not because of this, but lack of sleep). I'm going to take a nap while the washing machine is going.
Your reply about the map was enlightening. I'll have to look further at that.
The original hand-drawn map that Betty Hill drew under hypnosis can be found in John Fuller's book "The Interrupted Journey", where he tells the Hill story. The book was published in 1966, and is now out of print, but I found a copy in a library. I paid way too much money to xerox the entire thing, cover to cover, because I could not find a copy anywhere for purchase in those days. You may be able to find it at Amazon now, but that was back in the days before internet.
Astronomy Magazine had an interesting series of articles by Terence Dickinson and letters from scientists like Carl Sagan and Steve Soter (with rebuttals from Ms. Fish, and commentaries by Jeffrey Kretsch) on the matter in 1974, and collected all of them together for a reprint some time later. PDF copies of the reprint can be found at Stan's website, and at a few other places on the internet as well. The title is "The Zeta Reticuli Incident", which you can Google.
The actual reprint is available at Amazon for $18.59 - overpriced for it's size, and considering the availability on the internet. Most of the internet versions are missing some of the graphics, one here, a different one there - and I don't know if the Amazon reprint has them all or not.
Stan devotes an entire chapter of one of his books (Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience) to the Hill Starmap. The rest of the book is about the incident, and his co-author was one of Betty's relatives - her niece, Kathleen Marden. That's the book he was promoting when i spoke with him about it.
All of these are well worth reading, if one has an interest in this sort of thing.
Marjorie Fish died on 8 April 2013, at age 80. Obituary
Perhaps of note in her obituary is this (italics mine, for emphasis):
As one of her hobbies, Marjorie made an investigation into the Betty Hill map by constructing a 3-D star map in the late 1960's using several databases. She found a pattern that matched Mrs. Hill's drawing well, which generated international interest. Later, after newer data was compiled, she determined that the binary stars within the pattern were too close together to support life; so as a true skeptic, she issued a statement that she now felt that the correlation was unlikely. The History Channel portrayed her in at least one series. She moved to work at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, TN. She retired with over 20 years of research service for the U. S. Department of Energy.
Maybe I'll dig around and see if I can find my scans to get that thread going for more information, but I have over 2 TB of stuff to dig through, so it could take some time.
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