My ever eroding faith, in faith.

Wish I could help,

Why are you pissed off?

I made a friend so angry today, we will never speak again, and I don't care.

I see your point but there are some out there that have had personal supernatural experiences and that is why they push their faith so hard on to others, weather it is right or wrong to do so I don't know. Trust me I have tried and not only does it not work people become hostile towards me, I gave up trying, go with your heart and what you feel. Through my own experience with faith and truth I have learned no matter what we see or know for truth no one wants to know anyway christians included funny enough they are the ones who are the first to call us liers. They want and profess truth but when they get it they worse than anyone else. That is why i will never enter a church they 500 years in the past, this might be wrong to say but i would not be surprised if the so called Devil has been in there for decades and i am a christian what does that say. Trust no one. I don't think being angry at God will change anything and calling him a poss or silly things like that are not gonna make him appear oh by the way God is invisible to man, as they say all good things come to those who wait, maybe it is all about trust who knows what will happen when we die. Some do I am sure of that.

*Note to self...avoid talking religion with Doug...

On a more serious note though, I have to agree with you. When I think of God, it always brings me back to recalling that scene in The Devil's Advocate where Al Pacino's character (Lucifer) talks of God:



He's an absentee landlord does make a lot of sense in the world we live in today.

But then again, this is like a Sun thing. Even if the Sun seems absent behind the clouds, it's still there, always.

So who knows? I surely don't.

But I hear ya !!!


ETA: Whoa...had to manually censor a word!?!?!?

Well whatever you seek I hope you find your own piece of mind.

When you think of God....Think of being good. Now, the problem is that everyone's version of good is different. You should not deceive others for personal gain. Trouble is that everyone's idea of deception is different. If you make something designed to fail right after it's warrantee expires, that is deception. If you talk someone into buying something they do not need or more expensive than they need then that is a deception. If you repeat something without thinking about it and doing at least a little research, you may be believing a lie. Well, I really do not know many people who would pass the test.

When it says to worship god, I feel that that is a misinterpretation. It should just say respect the good ways of god. Treat others like you would want them to treat you. Again another problem, lots of people who are deceivers expect others will deceive them, in fact they do not respect them unless they try and they feel good when they catch the scam.

So now, the devil is another name to the deceiver, actually a trait more than a being. I suppose you could say that the deception game can be considered an entity compiled of all who partake in the game. Now there is also evil, but evil is sort of a different thing than deception. Crabby spirits of some kind, bent on hate. Now, I do not know much about demons or demonology, but I don't think I would want to be hanging around anyone like that either spiritual or human.

So now I guess you can all see, I am not actually in the class of Christians, they probably would not like me because my beliefs differ. do know a lot of Christians and I know some very good people who do not judge and are very honest, but occasionally they are tricked into believing what they are doing is actually good when in essence they are just making a living. I won't condemn them for their beliefs, although through all my searching of my soul, I know they have been misled to believe in something that is not real.

I suppose you guys would like examples of ways that we are misled. How about pre-qualifying for a loan for a house. When you qualify for a house loan, the realitor shows you houses within the range of your pre-qualification. They hardly show you any cheaper homes, and you may find a lot better one that is selling much cheaper than the ones you are seeing. How do I know this, I sold real estate for about a year and that is what they do. I showed houses to people in all ranges, and the realtor did not like that, the higher the sale price, the more commission. This drives property values up too, now everyone works more years to pay for their home, and the realtors get their percentage of sales. By the time you get done paying off that house it is a lot more than what you could have paid. Stretch that loan out for five more years and pay more interest.

So is this policy honest? Not in my book but it happens all the time. Is it evil, not really. Is it deception, yes it is. But this kind of deception has become acceptable in our society. Everything today is turning into deception, some religions promote this. Some don't allow interest on loans, and banks do not like that, they would want those countries squashed and cut the people down.

So what is good and what is bad. The bible does not address that enough and people interpret what it says to meet their needs, quoting certain scriptures out of context sometimes to show what they want. I like the scripture where jesus says that John the baptist came a fasting and jesus came a drinking and feasting and some called him a wine bibber and a glutton. Gee, I don't like wine, but I used to like beer and I like to eat. I would have got along with Jesus pretty well.

The same with Buddha, he almost starved himself to death meditating under a tree, till he found his calling. He didn't starve himself anymore, statues show him pretty chubby, walking around and eating all over the place. He actually died from eating something, the homeowner did not have the companion food there, or antidote for the food chemistry, and he died. He did not condemn the guy as he was dying either. Everyone can make a mistake or forget. He would have been a nice guy to meet also. I also would like to have met Mohammad, he seemed like a mellow guy also from what I have read, a far difference than what I was taught about the religion. We tend to pick out the bad in things and accentuate those, we need to look at the good also. Maybe some in religion are overzeleous, but there are many good members of religions too.

I can't condemn a person for trying to be good at heart even though their direction is being steered wrong by those who desire power over others.

I won't condemn people who have no religion and are honest people. Some have abandoned religion because of the deceit in the religion or congregation.

I guess I can sum this up by saying that the god/good I believe in does not need a religion or a name. Now if you want to belong to something, thenjoin some group, whether it is a religion or it is a club. Just make sure that the group is not idolizing deception.

Whoa, my rambling sure got long.  I should edit, but I wrote this and I sure the hell do not want to have to read it.

rickymouse,
No, it wasn't a person to come help me paint. Even if it was, that wouldn't have pissed me off as much as this event has. I've been down this road before and am never happy about it. Suicide.

I don't understand it, probably never will. Except in maybe some instances, but they are extreme. In this case it has effected me pretty harsh. It has changed me. I am no stranger to suicide and it has hit pretty close to home often, but this is the first time it has hit home.

I HATE not understanding what drives people to do this, and I hate this alleged God allows it. And then on top of it all, we are taught that he abhors it, damning them for eternity. Eff him! May he be damned for eternity for creating a batch of maligned spores! It's times like this, That I hope satan puts his arms around God's shoulders and say's, "Deal with it...You frakked up, now fix it."

But I'm not holding my breath.

Doug, I am so sorry for your pain! If being angry helps, by all means blow a cork! Let that pressure relief valve open!

I have no words of wisdom; none that could possibly comfort you.

When I have stood in your shoes, I found myself wondering if things like this ARE some gods' plan...or just maybe we create our own reality. Not anybody elses'; just our own. Were we given the keys to the Kingdom, and don't even know it? Could I really move a mountain just by believing I could?

I quit blaming 'God' for all the bad things in life. I began thanking him for the good things in my world. Life began to change; I no longer was able to use some Spirit in the sky as a scapegoat for the life 'I' created.

Life isn't perfect; sometimes it's super hard; but maybe it beats the alternative.

I wish you peace....
Nugget