How To Recognize Members of Your Soul Group

See, I take just the opposite approach - from my perspective, it's the Deity who DECIDES what is and isn't fair, and it's "unfair" for a mere mortal to try to impose their own values upon It. But yeah, It CAN be downright mean some times. Probably goes with the territory I suppose.



The simplest answer would be that not all of them ARE It's children. Then again, I don't subscribe to a literal "lake of fire as an eternal punishment" scenario. I believe those bound for a figurative "lake of fire" are actually just bound to be snuffed out for all eternity, to exist no more in any conditions. Just POOF! and they're gone for good. No "heaven" for them, and eternal nonexistence IS "eternal hell". The whole "lake of fire" thing and "Allah's gonna get you in the afterlife!" thing was just made up to assist those folks who  have no self-control into perceiving some external control over their more wayward activities, give them some added incentive - not everyone WANTS to live forever, anyhow, and the notion of living forever in a torment might be just the nudge they need.



Maybe, maybe not. What if their existence is doomed to be unbearable, and they are being spared that? Point is, none of us have a "God's eye view", and therefore are not in a position to decide what is and isn't "fair" in those circumstances.



OR they could just be hopelessly hedonistic... or their "lesson" is to overcome that hedonism...



I've read some, but it's usually not very far into it before I find why it was "lost" - I have not, however, read the one where it's proposed that he taught reincarnation.



Now, when we start fooling around with "spirits". how are we to tell the good ones from the bad ones? If they tell us to do something "bad" which ends up having a "good" result, was that one "good" or "bad"? If they tell us to do something "good" which has a "bad" result, which camp would that one fall into?

An example: suppose one once fairly screamed at me "Shoot it! Pull that trigger! DO IT NOW!" and as a result of having done so, I'm still here to annoy you, but otherwise would not be. Was that one "good" or "bad"?

What about the other guy?

Mystic Wanderer,

"Good" and "bad" DOES seem rather subjective then, without an external canon to measure it by, doesn't it?

I have read this before, I think it was Sylvia Browne who claimed that our lives were scripted, and that there are points in our lives where we can "check out" -- we get the choice of continuing to live, or dying.

I have a huge problem with both of those, of course, because of the death of my wife when I was 47. As she was dying, I know that she desperately wanted to live, so I don't think that she would have chosen to "check out."

And after being miserably alone for 42 years, and having four years of joy being with her, and then the absolute devastation of losing her and spending the rest of my life with this deep, dark emptiness, there is no way that I would ever have "planned that out."  All of the "you needed to learn how to deal with loss" statements in the world could never allow me think that possible -- if it was true, I would go back to my previous self that agreed it was a good idea and punch him in the throat.

Mystic Wanderer,

Fair enough, but you KNOW that I can't just let it slide without my normal contrarian commentary, right? xj522294b4

Just consider me a foil, against which to sharpen the rapier of wit, rather than a cold block. 113

First off, I note that those are all what is referred to as "Gnostic gospels", and in one case it's even affirmed to have been written "before 185 AD", which covers a lot of time AFTER Jesus died (a lot more than before he died, anyhow), so it's by no means a given that "Jesus taught" those things... but with that said, "those things" appear to me to be pretty arbitrary, with more than one explanation. It looks, to me, like a case of folks seeing what they want to see there. For example, some of those I HAVE read, but the thought "reincarnation!" never entered my mind from what was said in them - the link to reincarnation in those cases comes from the explanation or interpretation of others, not from the passages themselves.

For example:



The part "will be saved and will become prefect" appears to be a direct quote, whereas "that is, escape the round of rebirth" is an interpretation, one not born out by what the passage actually SAYS. What it says can be interpreted to mean any number of things that don't involve reincarnation in any form, at all.

In other cases, the passage in question is omitted altogether, and only the "explanation" of it is given - the explanation that someone else interpreted it to mean, and wants you to believe it means, too.

So, from my perspective, there is no evidence internal to them that Jesus ever taught them to begin with, and on top of that the actual passages themselves are only given to an interpretation of "reincarnation" if that is what one wants to see in them, looks for, and then interprets to mean that.

I can't say that he DIDN'T teach reincarnation, but I can't say that those passages present evidence that he DID, either.

This is not to say that I don't believe in the concept of "soul groups" - that's really an entirely separate issue from  reincarnation - one is not dependent upon the other.

Maybe it's in the constant reference in those passages to the soul as a "she". Maybe guys don't have to follow those same rules, or maybe we just don't have souls to begin with... maybe y'all gals are doomed to endless rounds of reincarnation, and us guys get one shot and that's it. THAT "interpretation" can also be taken from the passages as presented, just as handily, because of that consistent use of "she" for the soul.

@ninurta,adjensen,


I'm very sorry for the loss you both experienced.

adjensen, I can see why you would not think we plan things before coming here, having to deal with that kind of pain. Earth is the planet we come to to learn emotions: suffering, pain, sadness, joy, happiness... all of it; some go through more than others.  Why?  I can only speculate.  fc/dunno

I've experienced deep loss myself when my second husband was killed in an unexpected car wreck, not to mention the hardships I've experienced with my current husband and his BPD problems.  slapforehead
Why would I choose such suffering for myself?  I can only guess that if this is true, I just wanted to get a lot of "karma" done and over with in this lifetime so I don' have to come back again.  

I remember waking up one morning having a conversation with my guides. They were asking if I wanted to stay, or leave before "the bad times begin"?  I told them I would stay. 
A couple of days later I was spared by some outside force protecting me from what I know would have been a fatal crash. I won't go into the story again; I've told it several times. 

I can't speak for others, but as for myself, I know of several times in my life that could have been "checkout points", if I had wanted to leave, but I stayed for some reason... no question in my mind about that. 

I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone here, but for those who are seeking to learn more concerning our soul groups, and things maybe they haven't come across in the past, I present what has been shown to ME as truth.  
It won't resonate as truth to everyone here because we are all on different paths of learning in each lifetime; my "truth" won't be "truth" for others;  I accept that. :)
I just wish the leaders of our countries understood this. We could end all the religious wars over "who's right, and who's wrong", if they would acknowledge this.  

ETA: Oh, and I want to add that Sylvia Browne is not the only person who said we have check out points; I've read this in many famous psychic's books. 

 

Situational ethics? Is there even such a thing? If an ethic is fluid depending on perception of a situation, is it even truly an ethic at all then? Or just a convenience of the moment?

Which circles right back around to what I said there - "subjective". It seems that there are some folks for whom the perception of  "good" and "bad" just boil down to their own subjective notions... which would mean there ARE no objective "good" or "bad", if everyone is allowed to pick out their own.

Which makes it OK for ISIS to sell sex slaves in the marketplace, and behead random kafrs on a whim. After all, for them, that is "good", and it's all relative.