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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 12, 2015 12:25:40 GMT -6

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Come one, come all! Belly up to the bar of social responsibility, slap your finger onto the sticker (gently, of course) and donate a wee little drop of blood to the better of man through modern digital tracking! After all, there are examples we can see for how this perfect solution will result in a better world!

It isn't all tongue in cheek here, either. There are good, solid and logical arguments to support the central collection and indexing of DNA. Take crime, for instance. If technology advances to the portable DNA scanners depicted in the movie above? Well, then COST to run DNA will have become irrelevant. If cost is no issue at all? Burglars leave DNA. Shoplifters leave DNA. Muggers leave A LOT of transfer DNA. Car thieves shed plenty of cells before bolting, with or without gloves.

It isn't just murder which would become a thing of the past for all but the most defective mental midgets within the population, but every crime which a physical presence by the criminal is required for. Imagine it. Within a generation, and maybe less, no one but a hairless freak in a 100% full body suit could so much as manhandle a vending machine without leaving enough to make capture and prosecution not just likely, but a certainty of routine daily life.

Oh course there are privacy issues as well, and taking one for the team on that is necessary to the greater good of the whole, but if this isn't worth that?

What is? fc/dunno

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 5:48:41 GMT -6 Nugget likes this

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@wrabbit2000, I see your side of the argument of o it will prevent future crimes and so on (but) if you watch gattaca all the way through they find a way around it.

Remember criminals will not stop being criminals that's just the nature of a criminal.

now to my side of the argument even if they had all of our DNA do you not see the limitless possibility that they can try and frame who ever.

Think about it how easy would it be to reconstruct plantable DNA also what's from stopping them from making clones and separating classes of people because of their DNA I mean there could be so many arguments to this one it could get a bit touchy here pretty soon... but I'm ready throw your best 123nin

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 6:55:13 GMT -6 Nugget likes this

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You're right. Criminals won't stop being criminals. In fact I agree 100%.

It's probably why I still think hanging them was a decent idea....and probably needed to be carried on into the present day. Not the dog and pony show we have today of Death Penalty cases becoming a mess so bad, innocents actually get sucked into it as well ...but the rather simpler time where at least truly guilty people didn't live long enough to be a burden to anyone else.

It does create a problem when we recycle our criminals on a regular basis, particularly through a brutal prison system that makes them worse, rarely ever better.

So DNA them, catch them quick...and remove them from society's collective misery. Just for a Devil's advocate position on the whole thing.

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 7:04:20 GMT -6

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I talked to an Army Ranger, he said they were flying out to poppy fields taking DNA samples of Afghan growers. Just as I was trying to get details his dad grabbed him and off they went to work on one of his dads jobs in California. That was 4 years ago. I wonder if any of the vets here can verify that capability. I was trying to find out about the device they were using it wasn't just a swab then leaving.

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 7:39:04 GMT -6

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Post by Nugget on Apr 22, 2015 7:39:04 GMT -6

I fully expect every child born to have a DNA profile compiled-without parental knowledge or consent. The day is approaching when every human on this planet will be entered into a data base, and I'm pretty sure we won't even know it's happening until it's too late to object.

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 7:53:59 GMT -6

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Post by atf1886 on Apr 22, 2015 7:53:59 GMT -6

@wrabbit2000,your right We've gone soft on capital punishment but unfortunately that's our INJUSTICE at its finest!!

@marlingrace,yes this still happens till today it's just not spoken of I have military family that denied it but I knew he was lying to me I don't doubt the veracity of the ability of us gov to not do it

Nugget,I'm sure all of their DNA is being sold without our consent to the highest bidder like to say if that parent wanted a blue eyed child or so on and so forth they take it from there...

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 7:59:55 GMT -6

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You know, the Poppy Field 'wars' probably form a whole chapter of history unto themselves with this whole thing.

I'd be curious why they were DNA testing people in fields around Afghanistan, and peasant farmers at that. They won't likely ever leave Afghanistan to be in the world that their DNA matters. Odd on that?

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 8:18:54 GMT -6

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@wrabbit2000, it makes sense it'll blow your mind so since those pheasent farmers have been doing that through generations of farmers they probably have through hundreds of years built an immunity to the opiates do you now see why that would be important...

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 8:34:26 GMT -6

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Hmmm.. I hadn't considered the possibility of a built tolerance and established resistance to opiate effects.

Yeah..that does make sense, and actually? Might be a constructive reason to do it. If people can develop physical and perm. tolerance toward the most used pain management option in the world.....it is a medical issue to get to the bottom of, if nothing else.

You know what annoys most about the Poppy fields tho?? Those don't have to be smoking or shooting heroin production fields. No way do they have to be! I did my term paper in geography (its MUCH more than just maps in college versions) on the potential of Afghan Poppies to propel the nation into a net exporter of fuel, not importing at 10's of dollars per gallon.

It might shock you to learn, Poppies carry more 'oompf' for biofuel energy than most other things and orders of magnitude more than corn. The U.S. Marine Corps had a demo project set up in Helmand Province where they were not only proving it viable and cost effective out to profit lines, but filling their Hummers with some of what the unit produced with the prototype system. It could work..and WOULD work.

Imagine...the farmers don't get told their only crop isn't 'moral' so they get to starve and farm dirt as an alternative .....and a scourge of modern society could be removed without endless fight against the supply and production chain. Just make the end use of the Poppy for fuel MORE attractive than heroin ..and I'll bet the ratio of output would shift quickly enough.

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 8:41:42 GMT -6

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Apr 22, 2015 7:59:55 GMT -6 @wrabbit2000 said:

You know, the Poppy Field 'wars' probably form a whole chapter of history unto themselves with this whole thing.

I'd be curious why they were DNA testing people in fields around Afghanistan, and peasant farmers at that. They won't likely ever leave Afghanistan to be in the world that their DNA matters. Odd on that?

Adjusting my tin hat properly I would say they match crop yield to DNA donation for identification, and it makes it's way into a database for later control and total output calculations. I would imagine forecasting black budget income would be a benefit certain three letter agencies for project selection based on income performance potential. We can't have too much information even if we don't use it today.

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Hey Hey I say...Don't fear to share your DNA! Apr 22, 2015 9:09:20 GMT -6

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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 9:09:20 GMT -6

@marlingrace,

I think you overestimate the power and influence of U.S. Intelligence officers in the field. Especially these days. I mean, Afghanistan is a place where a CIA Officer, from the start to present, would bring bounties fit to turn a peasant into near royalty for life. I'm not even sure if some of our own former allies in the nation wouldn't like a crack at one captured and helpless.

Given the 'kill 'em for sport' attitude? I very seriously doubt U.S. elements have any direct control over the opium trade in Central Asia.

Of COURSE they influence it, safeguard routes and production regions as well as giving indirect support to the farmers ..but then, to play devils advocate in a counter-insurgency, what can they do? Take the US Drug War to Afghanistan and push the few neutral people left in the nation running to the arms of the enemy? It makes a catch-22 that is precisely why ever going in there was a mistake, IMO....and a foreseeable one at that.

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Having noted that? I'm no fool and I'm definitely no bunny to tow the party line unless I personally research the party line to make sense. This one never did, anyway. I see, even in my small Midwestern City (and to my HORROR) that Heroin is as easy to get as anything else, and more popular than white powdery stuff I grew up around in 1980's California. How.... HOW?! Midwestern U.S....a hotbed for heroin traffic and consumption? How did it EVER get to this point?

Truth be told? I think they have done in Afghanistan the very same thing they did in the Golden Triangle of South-East Asia a few generations ago. They're letting nature take its course, insuring no outside influence bothers nature's course, and taking payment on the back end by the war related cooperation they then demand of the farmers, who know they owe a livelihood to America simply not forming a modern version of Operation Ranch Hand..to erase everything they know.

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