Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 19:16:53 GMT -6
Unfortunately, the best hope we have in the pipeline right now for reform at the NSA and within the National security structure failed in the Senate tonight, as sure as the XL Pipeline failed in the same evening.
(sigh) ... Okie Dokie.... What happened to all the BS we've repeatedly heard from these same people about 'not throwing out good in search of perfect' and how we have to accept imperfect to get things done? That had the chance. Right here. Right now. This night. Obama was for this, and all they had to do was pass it.
yeah..there was a zinger in it for the Patriot Act...but I have a bridge to sell ya if you think that won't be cared for just fine, in other ways. Failing to pass this won't have stopped THAT little problem one little bit. It DID stop the idea that we see reform soon, and possibly, ever.
Rand Paul can now own how that turns out though.....and I imagine I'm not the only one who isn't impressed one bit by him and see this much the same way.
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Like Durbin zapped some of his own people over the XL Pipeline? Rand Paul just put his ambitions on the block next to this. He says it didn't go far enough? Okay... I'll buy that...for a very short time. If he isn't in the lead or at least a named co-sponsor on a BETTER bill to reform the system shortly after the new Congress comes? I'll have my own confirmation that he's just as much a scumbag as the rest of the political goo up there. No better and no different.
Will he turn out like his Father....or like what his Father spent his life fighting? Time will tell, now that he's directly helped kill the only existing shot we really had.
November 18, 2014 Senate Republicans blocked legislation Tuesday that would limit the government's sweeping domestic spying powers, dealing a massive blow to the post-Snowden efforts to reform the U.S. surveillance state.
At a final vote of 58 to 42, nearly every Democrat and four Republicans voted for the bill, the USA Freedom Act, but it failed to clear the 60-vote threshold necessary to move forward in the upper chamber. Its defeat almost certainly means that any reforms to the National Security Agency will have to wait until next year, when Republicans take over the Senate.
At a final vote of 58 to 42, nearly every Democrat and four Republicans voted for the bill, the USA Freedom Act, but it failed to clear the 60-vote threshold necessary to move forward in the upper chamber. Its defeat almost certainly means that any reforms to the National Security Agency will have to wait until next year, when Republicans take over the Senate.
(sigh) ... Okie Dokie.... What happened to all the BS we've repeatedly heard from these same people about 'not throwing out good in search of perfect' and how we have to accept imperfect to get things done? That had the chance. Right here. Right now. This night. Obama was for this, and all they had to do was pass it.
yeah..there was a zinger in it for the Patriot Act...but I have a bridge to sell ya if you think that won't be cared for just fine, in other ways. Failing to pass this won't have stopped THAT little problem one little bit. It DID stop the idea that we see reform soon, and possibly, ever.
Rand Paul can now own how that turns out though.....and I imagine I'm not the only one who isn't impressed one bit by him and see this much the same way.
Sen. Rand Paul, who has long criticized the NSA, also voted against the measure. Last week, Paul's office said the Kentuckian will oppose the measure because it does not go far enough and would renew a portion of the post-9/11 USA Patriot Act, which grants the government expansive spying powers. Backers of the Freedom Act saw Paul as a crucial and necessary ally to punch the bill through the Senate.
Like Durbin zapped some of his own people over the XL Pipeline? Rand Paul just put his ambitions on the block next to this. He says it didn't go far enough? Okay... I'll buy that...for a very short time. If he isn't in the lead or at least a named co-sponsor on a BETTER bill to reform the system shortly after the new Congress comes? I'll have my own confirmation that he's just as much a scumbag as the rest of the political goo up there. No better and no different.
Will he turn out like his Father....or like what his Father spent his life fighting? Time will tell, now that he's directly helped kill the only existing shot we really had.
