Ah yes, abduction cases. I never truly knew what to think of those, people are effected for life when they are telling their story. Yet, as we see so far, and also why I think we have so many connections with ourselves, and "aliens", I did a short show (7min) discussing the work of Frederick Malmstrom.
I am NOT saying that abductions are not possible, just that in all my years of frequenting sites, I had never heard of this possibility, not even from skeptics.
Here is the video.
In case you cannot view it right now here is an excerpt from one his work.
"So are the stories of grey aliens just a memory of how we saw our mothers when we were infants? The case is not definitive, of course, but it’s pretty compelling. There are questions, of course. Can we remember things from that far back? Are memories retrievable form then, even distorted? And one I think about a lot: why do we have a primal fear of alien faces (that one gives me the screaming creeps) if they in fact represent our mother’s face, a woman who cared for us, nurtured us, loved us, when we were helpless infants?
And yet, there are so many similarities between alien abduction stories and the way mothers take care of infants. Alien abduction victims are whisked away, helpless, for no apparent reason; aliens chatter over them; there is sometimes a feeling of weightlessness and floating (a baby in the womb?); strange and unexplained things are done to the victims, usually medical in nature. Coincidence, or causal connection?"
The video shows some of the photos he used to show what an infant sees when they look at others.
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That was about 1976 or thereabouts . . . searching the mental database . . . processing . . . processing . . .
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I think it was the parts about a kind of metaphysical embryo, birthing sort of thing that sounded a significantly similar but not identical to your post.
Personally . . . I think he got his thrills from spouting startling things like that. Who knows what he really believed. LOL
Though he had quite a following.
I think he even did some government work of some mysterious sort.
He seems to be into some new agey stuff now. I brought up Malmstrom, because out of all the abduction deniers, how did no one ever say that even in rare cases this is possible.
Before I moved into this direction, I looked at as many possibilities that I could, if I believe in something I always have to be sure to read all the debunking as well :)
The most outrageous that I have ever heard about UFO's and Roswell, was that it was in fact OUR tech and the "bodies" were of volunteer pilots who had... wait for it... PROGERIA! Yep, and that is why they were so short and small, and unrecognizable. WOW!
So, even though I may find something later that could give me more evidence of this being other worldly, I am going to stick with Earth beings LOL
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Host of Esoteric-Truth Radio. Radio Without The Fear.
Yeah, he sounded far too 'new agey' for my tastes way back then.
I just think that the vast number of sightings of such critters . . .
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the qualities of some of the experiencers, observers, whistle-blowers . . . suggests that the mother/embryo explanation is greatly lacking. It sounds like a huge desperate grope toward 'any-explanation-but-the-facts' sort of claim, to me.
There's plenty foundationally weird in the field. There's plenty of disinformation in the field. There's plenty of inexplicable aspects to the goings on.
And it's terribly difficult to sort the chaff from the wheat . . . probably by design--either the design of the critters and/or the critters in cahoots with TPTB. Confusing the facts would be an excellent way to hide the facts until the last minute . . . when all the population control mechanisms were more solidly in place.
My personal thoughts on this are probably as disturbing to consider as they may turn out to be correct. I suppose my odds and logic are as good as any, while we're working blind on suppositions.
I think we have one of two possibilities. Neither of them involve true "alien" life, but both are about life not from this world or this time, and possibly both for some cases.
First... We have the Bible to look at, and it's an interesting place to start. We're finding more and more referenced in it has sound basis for having happened. I don't mean the spiritual side or burning bushes. I mean the geologic events described in that and other totally unrelated texts of the deep past. Particularly the Flood and more specifically, the time PRIOR to it. Some of us also have a belief of advanced (Non-Atlantis) civilizations having predated current history by a good margin. Ancient stories from the first Egyptian leaders spoke of knowledge and past civilization well beyond the stone and simple world they viewed by that point. The Bible speaks of people with life spans MANY times what we know to be normal now.
IF that had ANY truth at all? Then we could have had humans on this planet living hundreds of years, instead of a fraction of 1 century. Why not? We know enough by biology to understand the aging process, ableit without ways to stop it. Nature may not always have handled that at the same rate it does today for outside influences.
If we're still in the realm of the possible within the very deep past, then we have people with multiple lifetimes, in our way of thinking, to become trained, skilled and inquisitive. Decades of 'prime of life' to master things, and put them to use....like flight, or even off-world flight. Could some of them have DONE just that, and so, missed the series of catastrophic changes which basically "Reset" humanity on this planet multiple times? If so...could they have returned or BE returning to see what happened "back home"?
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Time Travel is the other, and it's not THAT wild at all. Humor me for a moment.... If Einstein wasn't an idiot and really had something, then it's likely an accomplishment we could do. Could we do it today? Oh..hell no. Nowhere close, IMO. A 100 years from now? Maybe...but history is not encouraging for the leaps to come that quickly. 500 years from now? Perhaps.... How about 10,000 years from now?
See... In time travel, it could be 1 MILLION years into our own future, and that makes no difference for our perspective. They are still objects out of time and place to us, so advanced as to appear like magic to our level of understanding. Just as modern technology would appear to those in the time of Jesus, for example. (not suggesting anything in particular, but to use the example).
So if time travel is EVER possible, in ANY circumstances? By nature and to our perspective, it has already happened. It will happen and it IS happening around us. The fact we cannot imagine a way it COULD happen doesn't mean humans 100 generations from now don't have that answer, and this century as well as the last are pivotal firsts for MAJOR milestones within the human race. If ANY period we know of to date WOULD be looked at by our own species during time travel? We're living one of them, and our fathers or their fathers lived another.
I.E.... We'd EXPECT to see something of time travel, by sheer virtue of what is here to see now and how much is unknown to more than a few people for SO many things now, which "we" would want to look back at and confirm with absolute certainty, if nothing else.
** Excuse my length.. I've been wanting to share those ideas for a long time...but held my tongue because some places would see such different ideas troll-stomped into memory within less time than I took to type it.
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I guess I take a Very different view, I see the Universe as being OLD and Ancient and filled with beings that are much Older and far more intelligent than us. Sure you can use the Bible and it says some where, Man was created in Our Likeness. OK, We Look Like Them, Who's Them?
So, I looked at our closest neighbors, Whats Mercury made of I asked my self, Mercury is a rocky planet with a huge iron core which makes up a large part of its interior. The core takes up nearly 3/4 of the planet's diameter. Mercury's iron core is about the size of our moon. Iron makes up about 70% of Mercury's total weight making Mercury the most iron-rich planet in the Solar System. OK, what's our Core made of? What was that? Iron! What source of Heat could of started our Iron Core? What's the source of Heat that's generating enough heat for volcanic activity on Io and to drive off any water. Io's volcanoes are driven by hot silicate magma. Who or What Created That and Why?
So could Mercury been created to use it's Iron as a Base for a New Planet? Now what's Venus made of? Venus is made up of a central iron core and a rocky mantle, similar to the composition of Earth. Its atmosphere is mainly made up of carbon dioxide (96%) and nitrogen (3%), with small amounts of other gases. Now I ask you,,, are those gas's present on Earth and are they need for our Survival? By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.039% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases. Where did all these gases come from,,,, well water from evaporation?
Our dusty surface has come from all the planets that were brought here, but Mars has the best dirt for growing I understand.
Now you may wonder about water, Then There's Europa a Moon of Jupiter. Europa's surface is mostly water ice, and there is evidence that it may be covering an ocean of water or slushy ice beneath. Europa is thought to have twice as much water as does Earth. This moon intrigues astrobiologists because of its potential for having a "habitable zone." Life forms have been found thriving near subterranean volcanoes on Earth and in other extreme locations that may be analogues to what may exist on Europa. Now think about it, Could there be Life there,,, Earth like life from the Beginning of our time?
Our Moon, Now There's a Marvel all on it's Own,,, Think about it, Without the Moon, we won't be here, There's No Way! It is in the Perfect Location to the Earth, is that by chance? it moves closer to the Earth and the Sun gets Larger each year. Is that by Chance?
The other Planets in our Solar System I believe if we had the means to explore, like Jupiter and Saturn and Neptune Would Hold The Secrets to Our Creation and Our Formation. Just My Humble Chinese Opinion,,,,,,
The other Planets in our Solar System I believe if we had the means to explore, like Jupiter and Saturn and Neptune Would Hold The Secrets to Our Creation and Our Formation.
Just My Humble Chinese Opinion,,,,,,
You know the thing is, we DO have the means to explore them. We've chosen to fund our own NASA at under 20 billion a year for a total budget outlay these days. That does the old missions like the Voyagers right on through to the modern missions still launching and our side of ISS obligations. $20 billion. It almost seems absurdly tiny, and a number to recall when politicians throw around billions for other far less important causes.
This is a case where I think a nation like China may do very well. They're curious, moving into space already, and they do mass production like no one else when it comes to pure people power.
So mass produce small probes to send off in all directions and keep it affordable by economy of scale. I personally have some skepticism about whether the things we believe about the planets around us actually turn out to be true on direct inspection. Double that with some of the more mysterious moons. So....Mass produce and fast launch the things like satellites are done right now. Just my idea.
2. UFO'S ARE EXOTIC HUMAN GOVERNMENT MILITARY CRAFT
3. UFO'S ARE TOTALLY 'OTHER WORLDLY' FROM DISTANT CIVILIZATIONS & PLANETS
4. UFO'S ARE FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION
Simply because the poll did not have this one:
16. I DON'T HAVE A FRICKIN' CLUE
Aliens and UFOs have always been a passion. I do have some personal stories about them both but what annoys me to no end is the secrecy.
Roswell. Yes, no, maybe.
JAL 1628. Yes, no, maybe.
Arnold. Yes, no maybe.
Rendelsham. Yes, no, maybe.
Abductions. Yes, no, maybe.
Something is out there in our skies. Yes, no, maybe.
Something is out there in our oceans. Yes, no, maybe.
I HATE THAT !!
We can never get a straight answer one way or another. We can't see files that are supposedly kept secret. The ones that would know are under oath so that doesn't help. Come to think of it, those darn ETs don't help either...playing hide and seek way better than Bigfoot...
Truth. I do not know. I think something is out there. No proof but lots of circumstantial evidence. If I had to choose, I'd probably go with "other dimensions" as a source.
Tom Horn & Cris Putnam in EXO-VATICANA L.A. MARZULLI GUY MALONE's panel of high quality scholars. and actually David Flynn gets into it some in his COLLECTION volume
have all done the most exhaustive, extensive, thorough research from the eras before Adam to present.
I think their analysis and interpretations, conclusions are top flight. I haven't found any that come remotely as close to what I see as the facts as those characters.
And I've been studying it since 1962 . . . and have a close relative who used to work at S4 . . . where he saw craft coming and going fairly routinely.
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1. for each of us to list a brief summary of the sources for our concepts, conclusions about UFO's and ET's
AND THEN
2. to rate each source as to how much we trust it or find it credible or find it convincing . . . what %% did it influence our conclusions, for example.
I'll try and do that by Saturday or Sonday. The next 3 days will be very busy for me.
I guess I've already done it somewhat above so maybe I could just add a bit . . . next post.
Post by Charles1952 on Nov 12, 2014 0:12:32 GMT -6
I'm afraid I have to go with Solarius' conclusion, but I'm reaching mine from ignorance and apathy, while his are the results of scholarly analysis.
I'm sorry to admit being such a drag. I'm willing to accept people's opinions and reports on the matter, in the same way I accept reports that scientist believe they may be able to find a Higgs Boson by using a really big and really expensive piece of machinery over in Europe.
All I can say is, "Well, good for you. It's nice to see a young man with a hobby. Don't forget to write your Mother every now and then." UFO's, which must exist even if they're just secret aircraft, just don't seem to have any impact on my life or thinking. It's fun to say "what if . . .," and "It's possible that . . ." I just don't see it as significant to me.
I suppose that it's a significant question for the world, or maybe this country, but they don't invite me to join their discussions of the matter.
1. L.A. Marzulli--I met he and his wife face to face and found him totally authentic and convincing. 100%. He may not be 100% accurate in all he says but I'm convinced that he's 100% accurate in the basic outline of his conclusions.
2. GUY MALONE and his high level scholars. DITTO. Maybe not 100% accurate in 100% of the details but 100% accurate in the basic outline of their conclusions.
3. EXO-VATICANA by Tom Horn and Cris Putnam. That volume is like a 600 page Reader's Digest summary of a DVD full of high quality ancient to modern sources. Again . . . I doubt they are 100% accurate on many thousands of details presented in that hefty summary. But I'm convinced that they are 100% or near so accurate about the basic outline of their conclusions.
4. David Flynn . . . his COLLECTION is massively researched and doesn't deal with these issues as its main focus. However, his conclusions are in keeping with the above sources and on that score, I think he's near 100% accurate.
5. My close relative . . . I believe he told the truth about seeing craft routinely. He also told some of what his German Scientist boss had to say about such things but he did not go into a lot of detail. I think he's quite accurate--100% about what he saw. I'd guesstimate that what he was told was 50-80% accurate.
6. Other Researchers I've met face to face and talked with somewhat extensively:
--TIMOTHY GOOD-- I think he's above average authentic. Don't know if he's also working for the oligarchy . . . He seems to allow more than most do for the probability for the critters to be evil. I'd guess he's probably 50-70% right in his main assertions.
--STANTON FRIEDMAN-- He's quite a curmudgeon in a friendly way. I think he's a diligent researcher--particularly in archives. He could be working for the oligarchy. He certainly spouts the party line of the globalists on the matter. I'd guess that he's 50-70% right in his main assertions.
--Paola Harris-- She tries to let those she interviews speak for themselves. However, she has opinions some of which can be drug out of her. I think she's bought the Kool Aid in terms of thinking of the critters as wonderful and who they claim to be. Otherwise, she may be 45-60% accurate in her main assertions.
--Phoenix Lights researcher--forget his name--I think he's fairly honest and accurate in his research. I'd rate him 90-100% right about what he saw and discovered. I'd rate him 65-90% right in his assertions, interpretations about what he saw and discovered.
--Travis Walton . . . when I saw him face to face, it seemed like he was still struggling a LOT with it all and what really happened and what it meant. I've seen Videos of him since and he seems much more grounded with a much sharper understanding or at least reflection on it all. I think he was quite accurate 75-90% about what he saw and experienced. I don't think his assumptions, conclusions, interpretations therefrom are likely to turn out to be all that accurate. I'd rate his interpretations as 30-60% accurate.
--Linda Moulton Howe-- She's a trip. I think she's mostly in earnest and mostly high in integrity. I think she's been used by the oligarchy as well as told to shut-up about some things by the oligarchy. I think she's rather accurate about what she reports on as observations etc. . . . interviews . . . say 60-80%. I think her interpretations are rather new age tinted . . . and have seemed to buy into the oligarchy's spin on things far too much. So, I'd rate her interpretations as 40-60% accurate--depending on what aspect of it all she was talking about.
--Stan Romanek . . . I think he's so awash in the experiences he's subjected to, I doubt he really knows much about which end is up. I don't know about the purported hoaxes he's accused of or the other allegations. I believe he's 75-90% accurate about most of his experiences that he's reported on--particularly those his family and friends have witnessed at close range. I think he doesn't have much of a clue in terms of his interpretation of it all. So I'd rate his interpretation at 30-50% accurate--depending on what aspect we're talking about.
I don't recall who all else I've talked to face to face. But that's a fair summary.