Post by bonhommearmonica on Dec 8, 2014 0:24:01 GMT -6
This question comes from a game between the raiders and the cardinals me and a former roommate watched
We started calling the plays and outcomes.. I told my buddy what I thought after I called three plays he took the same information and for some reason we called the rest of the game
We have not done it since
It was based on the idea of something we saw in Numb3rs
we only missed maybe three calls
So I have looked at a few things and I seriously thing the game is rigged
my next post will be with articles and other material that others think
(Of note every time some thing like this is suggested elsewhere , not naming the site, the subject is 404'ed)
For years, I have heard people saying that the NFL has a few teams it favors, and a few teams it dislikes, and that the league has instructed officials to help favored teams, and pick on disfavored teams. I had written this off as sour grapes from the fans of losing teams, but what they say seems more believable all the time. If it is true, game rigging would be very easy. A few missed calls here and a few bogus calls there would be all it would take.
In the divisional playoff game between the New York Jets and the San Diego Chargers, I don't think the Jets were ever called for holding, though I saw offensive linemen with two fists full of blue jersey several times. They had gotten away with the same against the Cincinnati Bengals just one week before that. Pass interference being called or not called is another thing that frequently leaves me scratching my head.
If there are teams the league likes to help, and teams the league tries to sandbag, why? One reason would be that small markets do not bring in as much revenue as large markets. Another is that old stadiums without plush corporate luxury boxes don't bring in the bucks. A third is that some teams sell a lot more souvenir jerseys and memorabilia than others, and keeping them successful keeps the money flowing in. The Pittsburgh Steelers and Dallas Cowboys sell a lot more stuff than the Jacksonville Jaguars or Detroit Lions, for example.
A summation is that the rigging is bent towards stadium value and revenue
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We often wondered about whether or not some refs are more favorable to one team than another, hence penalizing more or making unfair calls
I don't know how many times we've heard the announcers go on about a penalty that was 'conveniently' overlooked
Then they would replay the missed call, over & over
But then the other team make the exact same mistake and shazam, out goes the flag on that play
I would not be surprised one bit about the possibility that the NFL is crooked Despite the nonprofit, tax exempt crap, the NFL IS a business when you get down to the bottom line
And like all successful business', it's all about the MONEY!! Win or lose, show me the money...
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good sign means when its done they will have a strong season
it is not the stadium by itself
Do you know the following
Advertising value the viking generate -nelson ratings
Draft numbers they have up coming 1st, second, third
I have feeling they will be making smart choices all of a sudden on recruitment look for them to sign some talent sucessfully
You would have some serious explaining to do before I could buy this concept. When I take a look at the collective intelligence of a national football league and the requirements to have a concerted plan to determine the outcome of a game I just don't see it. I can't see how a bunch of trouble making, animal abusing, womanizers could come together to plan a victory or a loss. Now with televised reviews of referee calls it would be hard to get that by fans. These are typically very large over testosteroned red meat eating, highly competitive, males with a head down desire to win even if it means sacrificing their own body. Why else would their goal be 10 yards at a time?
You would have some serious explaining to do before I could buy this concept. When I take a look at the collective intelligence of a national football league and the requirements to have a concerted plan to determine the outcome of a game I just don't see it. I can't see how a bunch of trouble making, animal abusing, womanizers could come together to plan a victory or a loss. Now with televised reviews of referee calls it would be hard to get that by fans. These are typically very large over testosteroned red meat eating, highly competitive, males with a head down desire to win even if it means sacrificing their own body. Why else would their goal be 10 yards at a time?
We come in with a reverse engineering concept
We dont worry about if it is true or fake we go pattern hunting
Then we see if it matches reality
Once you have patterns you can create formulas
once you have formulas you can make predictions
2) your second question/statement is doable
Think about the ones in the NFL they are institutionalized since college
favor trading control measures are put in
to get into the club you have to be accepted by the club so to speak
It makes me really wonder about a few issues
With out summoning trolling (crosses fingers)
Look at the Paterno Scandal its a pattern of the institutions control and protection
You would have some serious explaining to do before I could buy this concept. When I take a look at the collective intelligence of a national football league and the requirements to have a concerted plan to determine the outcome of a game I just don't see it. I can't see how a bunch of trouble making, animal abusing, womanizers could come together to plan a victory or a loss. Now with televised reviews of referee calls it would be hard to get that by fans. These are typically very large over testosteroned red meat eating, highly competitive, males with a head down desire to win even if it means sacrificing their own body. Why else would their goal be 10 yards at a time?
We come in with a reverse engineering concept
We dont worry about if it is true or fake we go pattern hunting
Then we see if it matches reality
Once you have patterns you can create formulas
once you have formulas you can make predictions
2) your second question/statement is doable
Think about the ones in the NFL they are institutionalized since college
favor trading control measures are put in
to get into the club you have to be accepted by the club so to speak
It makes me really wonder about a few issues
With out summoning trolling (crosses fingers)
Look at the Paterno Scandal its a pattern of the institutions control and protection
I understand your reverse engineering concept but I think that can be applied to anything including the flight of insects. Not that I would be crazy enough to equate footballs players to insects, but predictability through statistical analysis is something I would have never thought of in terms of football the variables seem extremely random. Have you tried it with betting? Now that would be a money maker if it worked out, and turn the high rollers into high droolers. I am up for a trip to vegas.
I have only one last question, do you think Jerry Jones would lose for a few extra million every year? I think if you look up competitive in the dictionary it might have his picture. In college with the amount of income generated by football seems to make competition and the desire to win incredible, so much so Notre Dame is in cahoots with local television playing pro ND movies before a big home game. When SC plays ND at home the city is a buss.
It will be interesting to see if your concept plays out for the rest of the year.
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I understand your reverse engineering concept but I think that can be applied to anything including the flight of insects. Not that I would be crazy enough to equate footballs players to insects, but predictability through statistical analysis is something I would have never thought of in terms of football the variables seem extremely random. Have you tried it with betting? Now that would be a money maker if it worked out, and turn the high rollers into high droolers. I am up for a trip to vegas.
I have only one last question, do you think Jerry Jones would lose for a few extra million every year? I think if you look up competitive in the dictionary it might have his picture. In college with the amount of income generated by football seems to make competition and the desire to win incredible, so much so Notre Dame is in cahoots with local television playing pro ND movies before a big home game. When SC plays ND at home the city is a buss.
It will be interesting to see if your concept plays out for the rest of the year.
I am seriously considering it (just dont tel Blackcatmagic ) I was not mentioning betting because.. well I do not want to encourage bad habits
Since I am really lazy Instead of building the program I was going to take madden 2014 find a way to get the playstation to run the game
Get several scores average them out
then play them against other knowledge
It would take a lot of work if the game is rigged you can bet on the habits of the controllers for a season
As for jones It is not important he wins (it helps) A friend of a friend used to work for them The make millions win or lose
Jerry jones wins every time they step on the field If they make it to the playoffs or get robbed so to speak
he makes more money Keep in mind the cowboys by the numbers are due a trip to the playoffs again
I keep saying numbers.. truth is its gut not numbers Keep in mind betting in this situation is the only way to test the theory I may do it in the name of science
Might as well paper bet like they do with beginning stock traders, we all start with paper trading first. It could be an interesting competition between friends.
Payton throw a game..... Tell me it ain't so. I'm feel'in the tears well up right now.
Next thing I know word will come out baseball is rigged, Nolan Ryan was a CGI and his stats were fabricated. Thats when the shoot'in will start. Heck with this civil rights crap nobody messes with Nolan Ryan.
When it comes to money and power, just about everyone has a price. If it can be kept under low radar, I don't see why quarterbacks, or referees for that matter, wouldn't accept a little white envelope under the table, here and there.
Actually, I'd be surprised if it never happened.
And not just football. Soccer, baseball, hockey, hell..even the Olympics could be rigged at times.
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Post by bonhommearmonica on Dec 8, 2014 17:37:03 GMT -6
let me talk with a friend over madden 2014/15
it might have that feature
I am not sure we can do this on HH's
(Unless charles considers it financing endaevors.. lol)
It means we have to collect certain key peices of information Stadiums age new stadiums teams in the area market share for games (I dont think player stats are important we might can eliminate them from consideration)
All for FUN
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It is merely a scientific test on the theory
The first problem is in science we must define the problem create a hypothesis
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